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Can you just imagine the grin on Cherie Blair's face when she has to address her husband as Mr President.

She'll become all horny again & they'll have another child ..... & The Sun will call the child Brussel Sprout.

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We will be sold down the river now, nothing new there but El Presidenti Blair will be filling his pockets (and those of his mates) while the EU takes us over.


Good on the bloke.....at least a Brit will get the cash.

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Can you just imagine the grin on Cherie Blair's face when she has to address her husband as Mr President.

She'll become all horny again & they'll have another child ..... & The Sun will call the child Brussel Sprout.


not nice at the best of times

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euros will be forced upon us soon, and we will all need LHD cars, to comply with european driving....


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I already have the LHD cars and I don't mind the Euros 'coz I have a Spanish bank account and I'm half German as well so bring it on. :mrgreen:


TERRY ONE OF YOURS :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Now Boris Gets Involved!


Tory Rift As Boris Johnson Demands EU Vote

October 4, 2009

Boris Johnson has insisted that British voters are entitled to a referendum on the European Union treaty, even if it has already been ratified by the time the Tories win power.

In an intervention that will anger David Cameron and risks plunging the Conservatives into another row over Europe, the London mayor said the public deserves to have a say on the constitution.

The treaty was backed by 67.1% of voters in Ireland’s second referendum when the results were announced yesterday. Only two countries, the Czech Republic and Poland, have yet to sign up. Brussels hopes they will fall into line quickly.

Tony Blair is the strong favourite to become the first president of the 27-nation superstate created under the constitution.

The Tory leadership has repeatedly refused to promise a referendum if the treaty is in force by the time of the general election. But Johnson said voters would be “very jealous” of the Irish if they were denied a referendum and insisted that a vote must be held irrespective of whether the treaty has been rubber stamped.

“I think the British people deserve a say on it. I think it would be right for such a debate to be held,” he said. The Lisbon treaty was ratified by parliament after Labour decided not to hold a referendum.

Johnson’s comments, on the eve of the Tory’s annual conference, expose a rift over Lisbon. Cameron is desperate to avoid a return to the party warfare over Europe.

Last night he tried to shut down the debate by issuing an e-mail to all party members insisting there would be “no change” in party policy and “no new announcements” on Europe at the conference, following the victory for the “yes” campaign in Ireland.

He insisted he would not be pressurised into saying what the party will do if the treaty is in force in all member states, claiming it could have only “one policy at a time”.

In an interview with The Sunday Times, Johnson said: “If we are faced with the prospect of Tony Blair suddenly emerging, suddenly pupating into an intergalactic spokesman for Europe, then I think the British people deserve a say on it ... I do think it would be right for such a debate to be held, particularly if the upshot of the Lisbon treaty is going to produce President Blair.”

The treaty creates sweeping EU powers over asylum, health, justice and social security. It scraps national vetoes in 61 areas, weakens Britain’s power to block legislation and could pave the way for a European defence policy and EU army. If the treaty comes into force the EU will have a network of embassies around the world.

Lisbon will create an EU president, an EU foreign minister and EU diplomatic service. The British government is backing Blair for the top job, which is expected to command an annual salary of at least £247,000.

Source; Sunday Times - TimesOnLine.co.uk

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Gord the Fraud cant be bothered now, hes out of number 10 before long, mind you, TB put him there so maybe Il duce Blair will get GB a jobbie in Brussels after, and take Pandy Mandy with him (he can do the cleaning and hes good with a quiche i hear)

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The treaty creates sweeping EU powers over asylum, health, justice and social security. It scraps national vetoes in 61 areas, weakens Britain’s power to block legislation and could pave the way for a European defence policy and EU army.


I wonder just how much of our soveriegnty wil be lost, the PM swears allegiance to HRH when he/she takes the job, selling her out could be treason, pity hanging has been abolished for that

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wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
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euros will be forced upon us soon, and we will all need LHD cars, to comply with european driving....


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I already have the LHD cars and I don't mind the Euros 'coz I have a Spanish bank account and I'm half German as well so bring it on. :mrgreen:


which half?

i had you down as a Quisling, now i know i was right


I may be half German but I have never wanted them to win anything and I don't speak the language. My German grandfather fought against the ****'s in the war.

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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
euros will be forced upon us soon, and we will all need LHD cars, to comply with european driving....


]


I already have the LHD cars and I don't mind the Euros 'coz I have a Spanish bank account and I'm half German as well so bring it on. :mrgreen:


which half?

i had you down as a Quisling, now i know i was right


I may be half German but I have never wanted them to win anything and I don't speak the language. My German grandfather fought against the ****'s in the war.


so did my dad

hang on, your grandad?

you must be about 18 then...

my grandad fought the kaiser

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wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
euros will be forced upon us soon, and we will all need LHD cars, to comply with european driving....


]


I already have the LHD cars and I don't mind the Euros 'coz I have a Spanish bank account and I'm half German as well so bring it on. :mrgreen:


which half?

i had you down as a Quisling, now i know i was right


I may be half German but I have never wanted them to win anything and I don't speak the language. My German grandfather fought against the ****'s in the war.


so did my dad

hang on, your grandad?

you must be about 18 then...

my grandad fought the kaiser



Was it just the Kaiser he fought with?..he didnt fight any of the Kaisers army of square heads??


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wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
euros will be forced upon us soon, and we will all need LHD cars, to comply with european driving....


]


I already have the LHD cars and I don't mind the Euros 'coz I have a Spanish bank account and I'm half German as well so bring it on. :mrgreen:


which half?

i had you down as a Quisling, now i know i was right


I may be half German but I have never wanted them to win anything and I don't speak the language. My German grandfather fought against the ****'s in the war.


so did my dad

hang on, your grandad?

you must be about 18 then...

my grandad fought the kaiser


My German Grandfather was 35 at the start of the war and my mother was 17. I don't know the full history about my Grandfathers role against the Nazis but I do know that my mother was involved in evacuating jews from Hamburg.

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How the EU Got the Irish to 'Yes'
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DUBLIN—Ladbrokes in downtown Dublin was paying one to 33 that Irish voters would approve Europe's Lisbon Treaty, against eight to one that they would strike it down. For non-gamblers, that means the betting chain thought the EU charter was a favorite to win—by a lot.

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.Two doors down, patrons of the Sackville Lounge turned away from televised horse races to reveal why. After Irish voters spurned the treaty in a referendum last year, the European Commission—the EU's unelected legislative, regulatory and executive branch whose power would be cemented under the treaty—left little to chance this time around. Here is how Brussels did it:

1. Don't let a good crisis go to waste: Playing to voter apathy backfired in Ireland last year, but in the fall of 2009 a much more powerful tool presented itself for the Commission and its Dublin backers: fear. Specifically, fear of economic isolation.

An Irish Times reporter asked Commission President José Manuel Barroso at a victory press conference on Saturday about allegations of fear mongering. Mr. Barroso was all innocence: "Scare tactics? I don't know what you mean by that."

Perhaps Mr. Barroso forgot the interview he gave to the Irish Times two weeks ago, where he seemed concerned that "some people"—still unnamed—had asked him whether Ireland would leave the EU, adding that "For investor confidence, it is important that there is certainty about the future of Ireland in the EU." So while Mr. Barroso knew Ireland could reject Lisbon without risking full EU and euro membership, he calculated that in an era of 12.6% Irish unemployment, stoking nerves over capital flight would have a big impact.

That message was clear enough to Ruairí Brennan, a 24-year-old student who explained his Yes vote to me over ale at the Sackville. "We have no money, that's what it comes down to," he said. "If we go against them, they'll go against us."

He produced a pamphlet from Ireland For Europe, a coalition of Yes-ite business and civic leaders. The leaflet states that the EU has invested more than €70 billion in Ireland. Mr. Barroso gave the Irish a well-timed reminder of such largesse last month, when he announced €14.8 million to help laid-off Irish workers. It's true that Ireland received €566 million more from EU coffers last year than it contributed, but this difference accounted for only 0.36% of Ireland's gross national income, by the Commission's own figures—hardly the lynchpin of the health and wealth of the Celtic Tiger.

The pamphlet also echoes the Yes campaign's claim that approval of the treaty will mean jobs. But Lisbon's promise that a reformed EU will be "aiming at full employment" is no guarantee that Mr. Brennan will graduate to a host of job offers. The best hope for that happy prospect is, rather, his own hard work and Ireland's own pro-growth tax policies—which Lisbon could give other EU countries the power to thwart. No question, the monetary discipline that came with Ireland's adoption of the euro will also brighten Mr. Brennan's future, but contrary to Mr. Barroso's insinuations, Mr. Brennan would not have been risking this had he voted No.

2. Activate the herd mentality: Alongside the economic threats, Irish voters were subjected to the even more vague minacity that Ireland would somehow be shunned by the rest of the bloc. After the Republic rejected the treaty last year, Brussels mandarins ignited the rumor that a two-tier Europe could be the solution. Though such isolation within the EU is impossible, the rumors stuck, cemented by Yes campaign posters telling voters to say "Yes to Europe," rather than to the 294-page document on offer.

"We wouldn't have the same authority, we'd be out on the fringes," said Hugh McGinn, a teetotaling taxi driver, when asked what arguments had most swayed his Yes vote.

Such arguments are incorrect, but one can forgive Mr. McGinn for believing them. The official "Statement for the Information of Voters," prescribed by Ireland's Oireachtas (or Parliament) and distributed to voters and posted at polling stations, opened by saying a Yes vote would "(a) affirm Ireland's commitment to the European Union" and "(b) enable Ireland to ratify the Treaty of Lisbon and to be a member of the European Union established by that Treaty."

So much for informed democracy. Ireland's "commitment" to the existing EU was not up for a vote, and without Irish ratification there would have been no reformed EU for Ireland to be, or not be, a member of.

But the contrary point was central to the peer pressure targeting Ireland: That if Ireland voted no, it would spoil reforms for the rest of Europe's 500 million citizens, as if they too had been given a say in the matter (they hadn't). This awkward position of serving as proxies for democracy for half a billion people weighed on the minds of Irish voters. At the Sackville, 19-year-old student Shane Gaynor asserted that his Yes vote was as much for Europe as for Ireland. "After all Europe has given us, it's time to give something back," he said.

Lauren Bacon, also a student and also 19, saw it differently. "We're the only country that even got a vote on this. We shouldn't throw away what other countries didn't even have."

3. Move the finish line: Perhaps the single greatest factor determining the outcome of Friday's referendum was that it was held at all. Democracy means adhering to the will of the majority of the day. Do-overs and give-backs not only mock the voting process, they convince many that going to the polls is an exercise in futility. This was the case for many, who told me they had voted against the treaty last year but hadn't bothered on Friday.

"I'm not voting, I voted No last time," said Shane Masterson, a 22-year-old builder outside the Sackville. "I wasted dear, valuable time waiting in line, and they threw it away. They're going to keep asking until they get their way, so what's the point? We chose to speak and they chose to ignore." They won't now of course—Brussels has the answer it wants.

There remains some hope for those who believe Europe deserves a better treaty. Senators in the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus has yet to sign the document, have filed an eleventh hour challenge to Lisbon in the country's Constitutional Court. Depending on how long the court takes to issue a verdict, the move could buy time for British Conservative leader David Cameron to make good on his promise, repeated on Saturday, that if his party wins general elections next year before the treaty is ratified by all EU countries, they will hold a British referendum.

If so, Mr. Cameron should take note of the tactics employed by Mr. Barroso & Co. As any Irish bookie would tell him, "democracy" in the hands of an unelected central bureaucracy is not a safe bet.

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Just one question! How does that vote stack up in terms of being legal?



Does the meaning of democracy mean that they can now all over the EEC keep on asking for people to vote until they get the YES or No that they want, if that is the situation then there is no point of anyone taking part in any vote because as we now know it is blatantly bent and condoned by all political parties. That being the case then it is Mugabe for the European President at least we know where we are with him.

We now know that democracy does NOT exist in the whole of Europe! what a disgrace and dishonour to the people like Harry Patch who must be turning in his grave already. So now that Europe is like one mass soviet block who is going to march in to give us our human rights back to us as this is much deeper than people realise!? Are there any Harry Patchs out there.

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Just one question! How does that vote stack up in terms of being legal?



Does the meaning of democracy mean that they can now all over the EEC keep on asking for people to vote until they get the YES or No that they want, if that is the situation then there is no point of anyone taking part in any vote because as we now know it is blatantly bent and condoned by all political parties. That being the case then it is Mugabe for the European President at least we know where we are with him.

We now know that democracy does NOT exist in the whole of Europe! what a disgrace and dishonour to the people like Harry Patch who must be turning in his grave already. So now that Europe is like one mass soviet block who is going to march in to give us our human rights back to us as this is much deeper than people realise!? Are there any Harry Patchs out there.



Its the EU...they write the laws they want so if something stands in their way because of legal issues then they circumvent it by making up new laws to suit. I think its fairly well shown that most EU citizens would like a vote on the Lisbon treaty but the Eurocrats have made it impossible to do so.

One day people will realise that they are being conned and dominated and will stand up and fight the whole EU system...all we need do is wait, give them enough rope and they will eventually hang themselves...


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