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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:46 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
On that serious point Captain, does the NTA accept applications from Taxi associations whose committee / board of directors have not been democratically elected?

I ask the question because currently in Birmingham what is alleged to have arisen from the ashes of BASTA is just that; an organisation which it is alleged has 'leaders' who have not been democratically elected.


Thats a damned good question.

As you will know the NTA accept what could be described as 'company memberships' and have done since formation.

The articles of association clearly state 'Constituted' Associations in respect of associations, therefore there is a clear distinction between the two.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:49 pm 
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charles007 wrote:
cc yes your right as always, i am not even is the same league as you. and why cos if i am so bad why do they jion me. that is the problem with you get on with looking after your members, like the others do.

and the point is you can deliver with out paying for membership just to [edited by admin] you off, same old faces with the same old views, its not just the nta that deliver at goverment there is all the others, TG, GMB.

and for the chairman well ??????. what a man i am lost for words that whould do justice to him, give him my best regards.


Like metaphorical buses...you don't see a post from Charles for ages, then three...no, make that fifty, come together.

It's heart warming to see that you've managed to proceed through life without carrying bitterness Charles. :roll:

As for "same old faces, same old views" (apparently including every trade body within this viewpoint). Well, you should be admired, as it must be remarkably frustrating for you, never being able to relinquish control, knowing that you're the only person who is ever right, but having everyone else on the planet foolishly taking the opposite standpoint.

Thank goodness for brave souls like yourself, who stand up against harmful modern "fad" ideas such as democracy.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:05 pm 
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Chilon of Sparta wrote:

Thank goodness for brave souls like yourself, who stand up against harmful modern "fad" ideas such as democracy.


I think he must have given the baying mob from Blackburn the slip for the moment....hence the posts. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:22 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The NTA has many old faces & with OLD FACES comes VAST EXPERIENCE.

I'm not convinced that's a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:24 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I ask the question because currently in Birmingham what is alleged to have arisen from the ashes of BASTA is just that; an organisation which it is alleged has 'leaders' who have not been democratically elected.

Not sure the words 'democracy' and 'taxi trade' go hand in hand. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:25 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
On that serious point Captain, does the NTA accept applications from Taxi associations whose committee / board of directors have not been democratically elected?

I ask the question because currently in Birmingham what is alleged to have arisen from the ashes of BASTA is just that; an organisation which it is alleged has 'leaders' who have not been democratically elected.


Thats a damned good question.

As you will know the NTA accept what could be described as 'company memberships' and have done since formation.

The articles of association clearly state 'Constituted' Associations in respect of associations, therefore there is a clear distinction between the two.

Is that a no? :D

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:32 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Is that a no? :D


That's a......I'll have to ask for a copy of the applicants constitution.

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:39 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The NTA has many old faces & with OLD FACES comes VAST EXPERIENCE.

I'm not convinced that's a good thing.

And why not . . . what's wrong with having vast experience on board.

Or do you mean that such people might have entrenched, resolute, steadfast views?

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:47 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Or do you mean that such people might have entrenched, resolute, steadfast views?

That about sums up my views.

I can name a few folks leading national unions/associations that believe their national unions/associations are their own private fiefdoms. :?

Which in a way is good that we have taxi/PH forums, so the lesser mortals amongst us can put their points across.

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 Post subject: yes your all right
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:18 pm 
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i said to myself, let cc get on with his thing. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:48 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Or do you mean that such people might have entrenched, resolute, steadfast views?

That about sums up my views.

I can name a few folks leading national unions/associations that believe their national unions/associations are their own private fiefdoms. :?

Which in a way is good that we have taxi/PH forums, so the lesser mortals amongst us can put their points across.


So...are you saying that experience can corrupt a person's view of the truth/facts? Or... is it just that you object when they hold a different viewpoint than your honourable self? :wink:

Surely, even if you were partly correct, you should not be challenging experience itself, but examining instead why the experienced people with integrity don't do more for the trade. Or the way the trade has been heading, is trade/integrity, sadly, now a contradiction in terms?


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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:10 pm 
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Chilon of Sparta wrote:
So...are you saying that experience can corrupt a person's view of the truth/facts? Or... is it just that you object when they hold a different viewpoint than your honourable self? :wink:

I'm not saying their views are corrupt, even when they disagree with me, it's just some will never change any of their views despite facts showing how wrong they are.

Power does corrupt, and as this trade ain't renown for it's democracy, those same folks stay top of the tree for far too long.

I know someone who is very good at his job, and would make a fantastic leader for his association, but it wont happen cos those at the top are there till they die.

I also know someone who is also very good at his job and he will get to the top of his union.

So we are a mixed bag.

As for me, I'm happy typing on TDO. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: yes your all right
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:06 pm 
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charles007 wrote:
i said to myself, let cc get on with his thing. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Read the post properly Charles :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: very nice
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:06 am 
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Sussex wrote:
I'm not saying their views are corrupt, even when they disagree with me, it's just some will never change any of their views despite facts showing how wrong they are.


I would agree Sussex. The trouble with taxi arguments, such as we see on TDO, is that both/all sides of an argument(s) are absolutely convinced they are correct and there is little, if any, room for compromise.
Furthermore, the "facts" as you put it are often met with rival facts from a different "expert witness", that can seem just as credible (depending how presented) that better suits an opponents argument.

Many people only accept the view of the trade that they have built from their own personal experience, but as the debates on here clearly show, the job (effects of credit crunch, number of multi plate owners, ethnic make-up, delimitation etc) can be surprisingly different from one area to another and therefore the needs/solutions to local issues may also be different. Maybe if everyone could accept that the answer to their particular problems may not be the answer needed for someone else's, we'd have a start. Trouble is, even if we magically found some common answers, we'd then have to tackle the apathy/laziness of the trade!

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As for me, I'm happy typing on TDO. :wink:


And you've certainly done a lot of typing through the years! Have you had to keep replacing keyboards? :lol:


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Extending Chilon's arguments to the world as a whole, that is why we have a court system to arbitrate such points of view.


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