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beccause a flexable licence needs on it a regular run route on defined roads

to put on every road in the Uk streaches it just a bit and the need for more than half a dozen buses.

the rules also require a bit more an fair single fares, supposing one rings up for a bus from Manchester centre to Davyhulme?

and worryingly of all they will be claiming fuel grant.

not suprised theres masses of concern.

the routes must be on everybus and every bus must display the destination in the window.

frankly they simply cannot comply John.

they are running private hire on the wrong license.

I cannot help feeling you have venom against the airport taxis, its affecting your judgement.

cannot see how this one can be won sorry John.

PC1015892/1
EXCELLENT CONNECTIONS LIMITED T/A AIRPORTCARZ TAXIBUS,
STANSTEAD HOUSE, THIRD AVENUE, STANSTED AIRPORT
STANSTED, ESSEX, CM24 1AE
From: Manchester Area
To: Manchester Airport
Via:
Name or No: Manchester Airport
Service Type: Flexible Registration
Effective Date: 01-Jul-2004
Other Details: 365 days of the year

You might want to read this again.

What is a flexible service?

A flexible service is defined as one:

Which serves one or more local communities or neighbourhoods within a specified geographical area;

Which, is so flexible that it is not practicable to identify in advance all the roads to be used at any given time (NB: there may be fixed sections of the route but the vast majority of the journey is flexibly routed.);

Which is provided primarily to carry passengers who have booked in advance and whose collective requirements determine the route of each journey, even though that other persons may also be travelling.

Where separate fares are paid of the general public; and

Where separate fares are paid which do not vary according to the number of passengers carried on the journey.

What’s the difference between a conventional and flexible service?

Like a conventional registered service, a flexible service uses PSVs to carry passengers at separate fares over short distances. In order to qualify and register as a flexible service, each passenger must be able to leave the bus within 24.15kms (15 miles) (measured in a straight line) from the place at which they were picked up.

However, unlike a conventional registration, operators of flexible services are not required to register a fixed route or timetable. Instead, individual passengers must pre-book their journey with the operator and the route and timings will vary according to those passengers’ needs. Operators must also keep records of each booking taken, and their on-the-road performance in providing the service. Operators can also specify a geographical area of operation within which they can provide fully flexible services.

The regulation changes will allow bus operators for the first time to provide, and receive BSOG for, door-to-door services to the general public that meet the needs of individual passengers.

Changing the registration regulations to allow flexibly-routed local bus services

Three new types of bus services will be possible (whether operated commercially or under subsidy) with individual journeys pre-booked by passengers in advance. These are:

The 'many to one' service - picking up individual passengers from a location specified by them (perhaps their home), and taking them to a single, fixed destination.

The 'one to many' service - passengers are picked up from fixed boarding points and taken to various, specified, destinations, on demand.

The 'many to many' service - this offers maximum flexibility, allowing the service to pick up passengers from various locations, on demand, and taking them to disparate destinations (within a defined geographical area of operation), again on demand.

I don’t think I need to say anymore do I?

Best wishes

JD

And that's why big headed old Sussex stays well clear of all this lark.

Well clear.

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IDFIMH

"john",
Your letters are getting more and more egocentric. If somebody at the airport has upset you may I take this opportunity to,on behalf of the drivers, apologise profusely.
You seem to be taking any questioning of your massive intellect as a slight.
My problem is that I have to accept that many people are doing their best to remedy a situation where we perceive that there is a gross injustice being perpertrated. As you know our leaders are well meaning amateurs and as such I would never demean them by using such terms of reference that you do.
Can I refer to one of my earlier replies, this hearing is being instigated by Wolverhampton. As far as I know any outside body can not bring proceedings. But then again I might be wrong, I usually am!!
Anyway must go and rest my hippocanthus .
Zorro

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taxi driver @manchester airport

John
you certainly do youd be hanged for that one!

Airport Taxibus comes to Calderdale more than 15 miles from the airport

you know its a fix I know its a fix and the commissioners know its a fix

seems more like every day it sounds as if you are Manager of this lot you praise them so much.

now john stop playing about justice is concerned.

I'm no fan of Airportcarz but I think you have to look at the facts and not be blinkered by the fact that its the cab trade that is being had over.

I hope I'm wrong and Airportcarz do get sanctioned in some way but personally I can't see that happening.

Would you rather I give someone false hope or would you rather I told it like I think it is? The commisioner can only move in one of two ways, I hope its not the way I expect.

You asked me to state why I thought Airportcarz would come out of this hearing unscathed? I have given my reasons, I'm sorry if they don't fit with the general feeling expressed by some but I'm sure those people who do have a view on this matter may be a little more enlightened now that I have stated my reasons.

With regard to my tone about the guys who work the Airport I will say this, some of us can still remember the intimidation, the Tyre popping and the vandalism to vehicles which was perpetrated by some of these guys. These acts were carried out on their fellow drivers just because they didn't want them working at the Airport, you couldn't leave your Cab because some azzhole would put a dart in the wall of your tyre.

They called us Town chit and some still do. So you can see why I and the majority of people who work the town have no sympathy for this bunch.

You reap what you sow in this life and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Best wishes

JD

No John, that's the sole preserve of the T&G.

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IDFIMH

The commissioners decision on whether to procceed to a full hearing on this matter will be given in 28 days, which is the 21st December.

Best wishes

JD

If they are operating using PSV indentity discs, the journeys over 15 miles just become normal hire of minibus. Nothing in regs says you cannot hire out a minibus (or 53\ seater) to carry just one passenger if you want too.
I do wonder who's palm they have crossed with silver to get the parking spots right outside the terminals, my experience of the traffic wardens at Manchester is that they try to move you on when you are loading/unloading even with a marked vehicle and I have seen this with properly licenced HC cars from outside the area as well.

Will watch outcome with interest.

I am a coach operator who also does airport transfer work but we only take on journeys over 15 miles so that we keep out of local service registration AND away from the more normal taxi work. Most taxi drivers in our area do not like the pick up FROM the airport because you can never tell how long the job will take (delays, baggage claim etc.). We dont have to get back intime for the trap!!.

I do agree that EVERY vehicle should (MUST) be licenced in some way even the strech limos. It should not be beyond the sense of local councils to licence ANY vehicle (limo, fire engine etc) for pre-booked journeys for say minimum 1 hour.[/img][/quote]

Nice to meet you Tulsa blue.

Operators of public service vehicles must first obtain an operator's licence in order to carry fare-paying passengers. The licence as you probably know allows operators to offer a range of services, such as Private hire work, where a party of passengers is carried on an outing for a single payment from the organiser of the trip. The passengers however must not pay separate fares.

Express coach services, where passengers travel at least 15 miles after boarding the vehicle, “Passengers can pay separate fares”.

Long distance excursions or tours, where all the passengers travel at least 15 miles after boarding and then return.

If you want to run a Local bus service, different rules apply. For instance, a local bus service is one where the route of the service has stopping places of less than 15 miles and passengers pay separate fares.

The provisions of the Transport Act 1985 specify that, all local bus services outside London must be registered with the local Traffic Commissioner. There are eight traffic areas in Great Britain and you must register the services in each of the areas in which you will run them.

Does that sound about right to you, or have I got it wrong yet again?

Best wishes

JD

Hi Jd
its about right but the private hire bit is roughly. the operator must not be responsible for bringing the group together ie local club outing where treasurer pays bill but collects "separate fares" from members.

Sorry wont be able to reply for next couple of weeks, off to Florida, hard work but someone has to do it

if that is so how do Wallace Arnold go on where they arrange tours and the like to thier own hotels?

Victory ?

I am reliably informed that Airportcarz have been asked to:
1)Get an Operators Licence
2)Plate their vehicles
3) Get Drivers to obtain badges and
4) Stop ranking up as they do now.

All above to be done within 30 days.

Ged,please confirm this.

If that's the case, then well down to all involved.

Two things spring to mind, and that's I will be surprised if Airport Carz take it lying down and an appeal is most likely, and even if Airport Carz do plate their vehicles, they aren't going to get enough drivers overnight.

Interesting times.

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IDFIMH

what do you mean?
they have drivers!

they could get the cheltenham army up this afternoon?