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I don't mean to be picky MrT but I think you'll find it's every action has a reaction and not a reverse action :wink:
you're quite correct..... But in this case.... reverse is what I meant ... :wink:


Well you shouldn't have said 'every action' then. I'm going to sit in the naughty corner now for being picky :cry:
Image would you like to sit on my knee and tell me what's wrong.. :wink:


I think you should go sit in the naughty corner too, but, not the same naughty corner as me :lol: :lol:

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I don't mean to be picky MrT but I think you'll find it's every action has a reaction and not a reverse action :wink:
you're quite correct..... But in this case.... reverse is what I meant ... :wink:


Well you shouldn't have said 'every action' then. I'm going to sit in the naughty corner now for being picky :cry:
Image would you like to sit on my knee and tell me what's wrong.. :wink:


I think you should go sit in the naughty corner too, but, not the same naughty corner as me :lol: :lol:
I Remember You telling me that it was a bit cluttered with all those handcuffs and leather belts.... nearly forgot.... costumes

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I Remember You telling me that it was a bit cluttered with all those handcuffs and leather belts.... nearly forgot.... costumes


Didn't think you'd tell everybody :oops: :oops:

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I Remember You telling me that it was a bit cluttered with all those handcuffs and leather belts.... nearly forgot.... costumes


Didn't think you'd tell everybody :oops: :oops:



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Didn't think you'd tell everybody :oops: :oops:



sorry


Did it just slip out :lol:

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I Remember You telling me that it was a bit cluttered with all those handcuffs and leather belts.... nearly forgot.... costumes


Didn't think you'd tell everybody :oops: :oops:



sorry


Did it just slip out :lol:
no... that was was last time :lol:

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Off-topic or wot? I thought that was a hanging offence on here :-s


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I said it could be applied to services, imo tho it would be difficult. In some cases such as food service like the 'all you can eat buffets' it's easier to apply this theory because the owner would sell more produce but still have minimal staff.


But you're comparing different business models and costs here rather than economies of scale per se.

A buffet will certainly have lower costs than a restaraunt with table service, but will still benefit from economies of scale in other respects such as premises, power, purchasing, kitchen staff etc.

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When offering a service that is basically down to time management it is difficult to apply because it will always take that length of time to issue the license. Hence the more licenses required, the more time it will take and the more staff you will need. It will cause a constant uping and downing of costs which if my memory serves me right is deeconomies of scale, but, I could be wrong.


But you could say the same about manufacturing something - the more widgets that are produced, the more staff are required.

In terms of things like premises, purchasing and the like a larger organisation will always benefit from economies of scale - the more stuff you buy, the cheaper it is per unit.

For example, if a taxi or council office needs a bit of software to conduct its business then clearly the same software is likely to cost much the same for ten cars as for a thousand, but clearly the cost per vehicle is significantly less in the latter case.

Of course, as the business gets larger the economies of scale become less apparent, and 'diminishing returns' become evident - the bigger you get, the less efficiency gains can be made.

Diseconomies of scale is a different beast altogether - diminishing returns just mean that the economies of scale become less apparent as the business gets bigger, but there are still economies of scale present.

Diseconomies on the other hand actually mean that the costs per unit produced are actually increasing with bigger size. For example, if staff are duplicating tasks.

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With regard to Delta I don't see why they would be interested in economies of scale because the general running costs of their company such as electric, water, wages etc can only ever go up if they expand. The more drivers they have the more staff they need to take phonecalls, do accounting, take settles etc and staffing in a business is generally the biggest expense. It's not a simple case of the more you produce the cheaper it becomes like it does in purchasing or manufacturing. It's just a case of having more money coming in


Well I still can't see the difference between manufacturing and services in this regard.

And while in some respects increasing size means increasing costs - but that won't necessarily increase the cost per unit produced - in other respects a service provider enjoys economies of scale.

For example, if more cars means and extra staff member is required then that won't reduce the cost per vehicle, but if that extra staff member can be accomodated in the existing building then that's an economy of scale :D

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Whatever :wink:

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To be perfectly honest you can't blame SMBC for the crisis within PH. With regards to the letter sent to SMBC on behalf of Delta it is a sensible practice to stay on the good side of the council. As for the drivers of any company not being happy then it is time for them to realise that they don't have to work there :shock: There are lots of options it's just a shame that like their taxi counterparts there is little or no chance of the ph drivers getting their act together. As the saying goes 'you make your bed, you lie in it'. I don't see the point of a protest either, what exactly do the drivers hope to achieve :?


Ho toots "it is a sensible practice to stay on the good side of the council" what are you saying i am diserpoint in you.

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To be perfectly honest you can't blame SMBC for the crisis within PH. With regards to the letter sent to SMBC on behalf of Delta it is a sensible practice to stay on the good side of the council. As for the drivers of any company not being happy then it is time for them to realise that they don't have to work there :shock: There are lots of options it's just a shame that like their taxi counterparts there is little or no chance of the ph drivers getting their act together. As the saying goes 'you make your bed, you lie in it'. I don't see the point of a protest either, what exactly do the drivers hope to achieve :?


Ho toots "it is a sensible practice to stay on the good side of the council" what are you saying i am diserpoint in you.


Well Charles unless you'd like to expand as to why you are dissappointed in me, what can I say :wink:

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Is this a because they shout the loudest or the council only listens to them and not the other firms in the area ?


Neither, Delta was simply the first to raise the issue of licence fees. Back in 2002 Delta wrote to Sefton MBC to complain about their illegal profiteering from driver, vehicle and operator licence fees. When Sefton refused to deal with the complaint Delta referred the matter to our local ombudsman, who started knocking Sefton's door for details of how much they'd charged and how much they'd spent. Sefton immediately declared that they had never intended to keep any of the 'accidental' surplus, they were happy to reinvest it in whichever way the trade representatives saw fit. So once Delta had successfully initiated the process, the remaining trade representatives all had their say on how they felt the money should be used. Representatives in the North of the Borough for example requested additional facilities at their end, which was eventually accommodated with an additional site in Southport. Some trade representatives requested more 'Officers on the Beat' to conduct more test purchases, which was accommodated by taking all the expensive qualified enforcement officers away from 'pen pushing' and out on the street, with the excess being used to pay for cheaper admin staff to deal with the paperwork back at the office. Some representatives wanted additional operating hours from their licensing division, so the 9a-5p was eventually increase to 8a-6p. Some wanted a reduction in fees, so they dropped the cost of driver and vehicle licence renewals, twice.

We were the first to complain to Sefton when we were unhappy with their charges so it would seem only polite to be the first to congratulate them on getting it right in the end. As a public document we also hope it will embarrass our neighbouring authorities to do the same for their drivers and stop ripping them off.

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On behalf of all the delta drivers... Well it's not on mine and the majority if not all of the other drivers behalf...


No, of course you and 'the majority if not all the other drivers' would much rather pay double or triple for their licence fees. You'd all prefer reduced hours for renewing badges and plates, you'd like one premises instead of two, you'd like more officers pushing pens behind counters instead of tackling piracy out on the road, you'd like queues out the door and round the block like it used to be back in the Irlam Rd premises before Sefton got their act together. Why not write all these magnificent aspirations into the constitution of a new 'shoot yourselves in the foot' trade group so that you and your buddies can lobby the council for a better future?

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Presumably the author of the document has never heard of economies of scale, or choosed to ignore them. ](*,)


The author submits figures showing Liverpool has 6886 licences and Sefton has 6356 licenses. Economy of scale would therefore suggest that Liverpool should be slightly cheaper than Sefton, yet it's double. Presumably you have never heard of 'misappropriation of funds' or choose to ignore it. ](*,)

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the root of the problem is SMBC's greed


What greed? Where do you get this idea from that SMBC make more money from having more drivers... are you making this up as you go along??? It doesn't matter whether SMBC licenses 20, 200 or 2000 drivers, they never make a penny, as they charge only what it costs to deliver their licensing portfolio. Thanks to the efforts of your operator (Delta), you enjoy the best deal from any licensing authority in this country, and you're slagging them off and berating anyone who passes on credit where it's due?

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