Taxi Driver Online

Certainly I agree that previous legislation has been historically usable, but historically curbs were put on the bailed individuals.

Courts setting these conditions have become less and less likely to use the powers that they obviously have. LAs as a result - who do have a responsibility to protect the public - are left holding the reins. Even if they suspend someone, that someone has a right of appeal and can continue to put the public at risk for three weeks.

USED CAREFULLY AND CORRECTLY, section 52 simply gives a public body a way to do what the Courts should do!

We can (and I include myself) fall into the trap of thinking of the LA as the enemy. Often they are, but sometimes, exercising a power can be of benefit to the public at large and to the Hackney and PH trades as well.

This particular case would give the message to the Public that potentially sexually dangerous drivers are removed quickly - but in Plymouth it can't be done. I remind you that this person has been released on Unconditional Bail until October 25 - that is Eight weeks or so from now, and this has gone on for several months already.

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Chris The Fish

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CC, obviously Plymouth comes under the 1972 act that you previously quoted, but I say again, immediacy.

Local Authorities need to be able to get Drivers that they consider a danger to the Public off the road. Section 52 gives them this power. If a driver is aggrieved by this, he, she or they, do have recourse to the Law, and rightly so. Wrongful use of Section 52 should rightly be a costly error for an LA to make.

I don't think the power should be vested in any other than the group of Councillors who under the 1972 Act already have the power to suspend. It should NOT be delegated or granted as a power to Licensing Officers. If a question arises that means an immediate suspension should be considered, it should be considered at an urgent meeting of enough Councillors to form a quorum. The driver being considered should be able to speak on his/her own behalf or via a representative or legal advocate.

Done in the right way, section 52 is a step forward.

At the inception of section 52 - as an outsider looking in as it does not affect Plymouth - I was adamantly against it.

After consideration I am very much for it.

A sexual deviant who can get targets into the Taxi or PH? I don't want anybody to be the target!

Mistakes may be made, they can be rectified - we are talking suspension not execution.

A bigger mistake would be another passenger (our bread and butter and maybe even those near and dear to us) becoming a statistic because the facility did not exist.

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Chris The Fish

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I still disagree, what did councils do before 2006?

They issued immediate suspensions, very often on the back of a magistrates court hearing with an attached bail condition.

CC

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George Carlin

You may note that I said this earlier in the thread. If Courts attached bail conditions it would be acedemic.

If Joe Bloggs is precluded from driving a Taxi or PH because of a bail condition, there is no need for ay LA to issue any kind of suspension. If Joe Bloggs breaks the condition he gets three squares a day and colour telly on remand.

Section 52 is needed when the Courts don't do this.

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Chris The Fish

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I still disagree, all the evidence suggests the flagrant abuse is contrary to human rights, I sincerely hope some council is severely fined for their draconian actions.

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Most professional taxi drivers welcome section 52 ... the real problem is that local rep's do not go to the council licensing meetings and clarify exactly how and when the licensing officer can use it... nail it down....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

I think thats the next thing the ashfield LO will be doing with cab drivers TBH.

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

This selective quote I could not agree with more!

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Chris The Fish

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Can I take it that the whole area arround section 52 and implementation of it will be on the agenda of the NTA AGM, particularly its missuse to date?

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Chris The Fish

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Be a waste of space if it is.....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Not unless there is a resolution.



CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

So what is;
the last date for the receipt of written resolutions to be debated at this year's AGM?
how many proposers & seconders are needed for a resolution?
do the proposers & seconders have to be at the AGM in person, or can that process be done in written statements of proposing & seconding the resolution for the chairman of the AGM to read out?

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Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.

One proposer, one seconder, one of which has to turn up and make the case.

CC

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George Carlin

I'll be checking with JB, RH and the rest of the local association, then put a proposal together if they agree....

I think I can be assured that CC will not be seconding any proposal. Any takers....


or will I be left like a spare one at a wedding?

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Chris The Fish

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OK - I'll get a wedding suit then.

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Chris The Fish

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