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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:17 pm 
Yorkie wrote:
Right Mick your postings have now got to that point I must pose some questions.

1, is there ever a justification for issuing new plates?

Calderdale council came into being in 1975
in 30 years they have never issued a single motorised Hackney license.

2, If the answer is yes how and to whom should they be issued?

3, are the needs of the public to be taken into account?

4, what is the function in your view of private hire.

Look at all those authorities with high plate values Calderdale is the highest and you will see the shortage is due to the high premium?

yet that is the sole criterion the council is not entitled to take into account.

proper development and change in the trade to reflect changing passengrer need cannot be undertaken if we follow your guidelines

and that is patiently clear.


1, Yes of course there is Geoff, to few taxis is a detrimental to the trade as to many. 37 HC's for Halifax is a pi$$ take mate but so is 300 for Gateshead.

2, The thing is Geoff that some areas need so many, Halifax for example that a window could be opened, for a year maybe, where any fit and proper person who produced a suitable vehicle would recieve a licence for it. In other areas unmet demand surveys should be conducted and the extra plates required should be distributed to those at the top of the list.

3, There is no question, the demands of the public should be the main priority, but their safety should also be a consideration.

4, PH have a greater role to play in the safe transport of the public, being able to book a car to be at a certain place at a certain time is paramount. Current PH drivers have their heads turned with big queues at the ranks and will regularly accept better fares when waiting for a booking leaving their booked fare stranded.

I only offer informed opinion on my own area Yorkie, I only offer comment on other areas, and in Halifax a desperate need is apparant.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:15 pm 
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Mr Angel,

almost agreed with you there till the last sentence;

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I only offer comment on other areas, and in Halifax a desperate need is apparant.


thats not a comment thats a statement :D and its something for Halifax to sort out, not me, and not you.

The next point;

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example that a window could be opened, for a year maybe,


would the window be every year, every 3 years or every 5 years?

The next one;


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There is no question, the demands of the public should be the main priority, but their safety should also be a consideration.



Perhaps a definition of safety?

Are you stating that the public are unsafe after delimitation or a free for all? if so why? will vehicles not be checked by LA's? will drivers not be checked?


sorry to bring these points up, and please dont think its a snipe.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:48 am 
captain cab wrote:
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I only offer comment on other areas, and in Halifax a desperate need is apparant.


thats not a comment thats a statement :D and its something for Halifax to sort out, not me, and not you.


See how easy it is to get things wrong, what my quote should have suggested is that from the evidence offered by Yorkie the need for more taxis is apparent.

Sorry.

captain cab wrote:
would the window be every year, every 3 years or every 5 years?


The window would be a one off, this would see the number of plates rise to a more acceptable level, after that unmet demand surveys should be undertaken.

captain cab wrote:
Are you stating that the public are unsafe after delimitation or a free for all? if so why? will vehicles not be checked by LA's? will drivers not be checked?


Vehicles tested only show they are roadworthy at the time of test, our examiner has noticed more brand new parts on vehicles since derestriction, suggesting that repairs are conducted to get the vehicle through the test. If this were the case then theoretically a part could become defective as the vehicle leaves the testing station but may not be repaired or replaced until the vehicle is due for its next test.

Dunno what this has got to do with the "oscars" like, but hey ho.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:02 am 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
Yorkie wrote:
Right Mick your postings have now got to that point I must pose some questions.

1, is there ever a justification for issuing new plates?

Calderdale council came into being in 1975
in 30 years they have never issued a single motorised Hackney license.

2, If the answer is yes how and to whom should they be issued?

3, are the needs of the public to be taken into account?

4, what is the function in your view of private hire.

Look at all those authorities with high plate values Calderdale is the highest and you will see the shortage is due to the high premium?

yet that is the sole criterion the council is not entitled to take into account.

proper development and change in the trade to reflect changing passengrer need cannot be undertaken if we follow your guidelines

and that is patiently clear.


1, Yes of course there is Geoff, to few taxis is a detrimental to the trade as to many. 37 HC's for Halifax is a pi$$ take mate but so is 300 for Gateshead.

2, The thing is Geoff that some areas need so many, Halifax for example that a window could be opened, for a year maybe, where any fit and proper person who produced a suitable vehicle would recieve a licence for it. In other areas unmet demand surveys should be conducted and the extra plates required should be distributed to those at the top of the list.

3, There is no question, the demands of the public should be the main priority, but their safety should also be a consideration.

4, PH have a greater role to play in the safe transport of the public, being able to book a car to be at a certain place at a certain time is paramount. Current PH drivers have their heads turned with big queues at the ranks and will regularly accept better fares when waiting for a booking leaving their booked fare stranded.

I only offer informed opinion on my own area Yorkie, I only offer comment on other areas, and in Halifax a desperate need is apparant.

B. Lucky :twisted:



just to make one thing clear. Halifax has no lists, if a plate is handed back the council view is there is no demand for it and will not be reissued

the council view is that lists are not a fair and lawfull way of issuing plates

the last Halcrow fox survey reccomended 5 new plates per year and survey in 5 years.

it was thrown out.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:13 am 
Yorkie wrote:
just to make one thing clear. Halifax has no lists, if a plate is handed back the council view is there is no demand for it and will not be reissued

the council view is that lists are not a fair and lawfull way of issuing plates

the last Halcrow fox survey reccomended 5 new plates per year and survey in 5 years.

it was thrown out.


In that case then Yorkie I would say that it is a disgraceful situation and the sooner it is changed the better.

I sit in an area where HC plates total nearly 300 and where PH licenses are still growing and currently total around the 600 mark.

The two areas show each end of the spectrum.

Just for comparison how many licenses are issued in total by Caulderdale and would you say that the total area covered is more or less than the total area covered by Gateshead.

What happens to a licence which is revoked?

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:21 am 
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What happens to a licence which is revoked?

B. Lucky :twisted:[/quote]

are you joking at £80,000 a piece?

Halifax licensing do not revoke taxi licenses, officials live here as well!


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Vehicles tested only show they are roadworthy at the time of test, our examiner has noticed more brand new parts on vehicles since derestriction, suggesting that repairs are conducted to get the vehicle through the test. If this were the case then theoretically a part could become defective as the vehicle leaves the testing station but may not be repaired or replaced until the vehicle is due for its next test.


lol Mr Angel, what is the suggestion here?

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our examiner has noticed more brand new parts on vehicles since derestriction, suggesting that repairs are conducted to get the vehicle through the test.


surely this is a good thing?

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If this were the case then theoretically a part could become defective as the vehicle leaves the testing station but may not be repaired or replaced until the vehicle is due for its next test.


So this couldnt possibly happen under a restricted license issue authority?

What you need is figures, i.e. before delimitation 95% of taxis passed first time, after delimitation it went to 50%. This would then suggest what you claim.

I'm being constructive mind.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:30 am 
Figures are impossible to attain and wouldn't actually demonstrate the point I was trying to make.

Of course under a restrictive system the possibility of this activity exists, the vehicle tester has though stated that he must pass these vehicles as they meet the standard at the time of test. As, in some cases, so many new parts are fitted and noticable it is clear to him that the vehicle was specifically prepared for test and that the parts that have been replaced could have been defective for as long as 6 months.

My point is that proper maintainace is not being carried out on a growing number of the plated vehicles in Gateshead.

I was talking to a driver of a 10 year old WAV, he told me that he had cancelled his mid term test and told the testing station he was going on holiday for 2 weeks. This was to give him time to repair his cab, I asked him what it needed, the list included new kingpins, new suspension all round and a fault with the rear brakes which forced him to top up his fluid every shift.

And you say there is no threat to public safety.

The enforcement officer will be on the ranks next week to order him down to the testing station for a vehicle examination, I hope he finds him.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:12 am 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
Figures are impossible to attain and wouldn't actually demonstrate the point I was trying to make.

Of course under a restrictive system the possibility of this activity exists, the vehicle tester has though stated that he must pass these vehicles as they meet the standard at the time of test. As, in some cases, so many new parts are fitted and noticable it is clear to him that the vehicle was specifically prepared for test and that the parts that have been replaced could have been defective for as long as 6 months.

My point is that proper maintainace is not being carried out on a growing number of the plated vehicles in Gateshead.

I was talking to a driver of a 10 year old WAV, he told me that he had cancelled his mid term test and told the testing station he was going on holiday for 2 weeks. This was to give him time to repair his cab, I asked him what it needed, the list included new kingpins, new suspension all round and a fault with the rear brakes which forced him to top up his fluid every shift.

And you say there is no threat to public safety.

The enforcement officer will be on the ranks next week to order him down to the testing station for a vehicle examination, I hope he finds him.

B. Lucky :twisted:



he made a big mistake taking you into his confidence didnt he Mick? he trusted you is he one of your members?

anyway, this site is for Oscar nominations could you post these items elsewhere please?


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ok back to the thread;

Yorkie said;
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if you choose Manchester for gods sake dont pick anywhere on the one way system!


And we wont be able to get a cab back afterwards :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: 2004 Taxi Oscars
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:52 pm 
JD wrote:
Very Shortly I'm going to present the Candidates for the 2004 Taxi Oscars. I know this is a first on TDO so I don't want any other organisations copying my lead.

The deadline for nominations is Sunday 16th January the candidates and winners will be announced shortly afterwards.

Best wishes

JD


and the winners are ................................................. =D> =D> =D>


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Is there going to be an award for the best banned member? :wink:

and one for managing to mention Gateshead in every thread :shock:

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Is there going to be an award for the best banned member? :wink:



That would be the Russian prostitute :D

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Is there going to be an award for the best banned member?




That would be the Russian prostitute


You see, Ive been telling you for months along with GA, that delimitation dont work. There no depths of depravity it dont lead to...Are you saying Nidge was banned for being a russian prostitute now?

pmsl

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TDO wrote:
Some of my nominations include:


Best newcomer:
Greenbadgecabby, Eric the viking (where did he go?)




I'm obliged. Must get back to posting more, Kippers nearly gone, well nearly . . . . . . eusasmiles.zip


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