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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:57 pm 
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have a wee think about toots

its been happing so long now, the council rubber stamps it knows its happing, operators expectations it could be challenged like most tings


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and therein lies the rub :lol: :lol: :lol:


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dougie wouldn't be asking for the council to admit to the fact if there was any chance of compo under the current legislation

and the council will never do so(even if they could which they cant btw)
no ones that stupid

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toots wrote:
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ok dokey i think you might be right

but as i said that would be challenged, lets hope it does nae happen

Im warming to new york new york


I'm curious how they would be in a position to challenge anything, should it come to that


They all paid huge amounts for something which has no value.
Unless they can prove the council encouraged them to buy these plates, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Caveat emptor

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gusmac wrote:
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sunset wrote:
ok dokey i think you might be right

but as i said that would be challenged, lets hope it does nae happen

Im warming to new york new york


I'm curious how they would be in a position to challenge anything, should it come to that


They all paid huge amounts for something which has no value.
Unless they can prove the council encouraged them to buy these plates, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Caveat emptor


It only has no value if the system (therefore the demand) changes. I'm not sure they would have to prove that the council encouraged anybody, turning a blind eye could be considered encouragement. I still don't believe that the public purse should be used for compensation in this instance. I would assume that the majority of the license holders have held their license long enough to have realised any investment in their purchase, but, I could be wrong

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toots wrote:
gusmac wrote:
toots wrote:
sunset wrote:
ok dokey i think you might be right

but as i said that would be challenged, lets hope it does nae happen

Im warming to new york new york


I'm curious how they would be in a position to challenge anything, should it come to that


They all paid huge amounts for something which has no value.
Unless they can prove the council encouraged them to buy these plates, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Caveat emptor


It only has no value if the system (therefore the demand) changes.


That doesn't come into it.
In E&W you can buy or sell a licence. Here you can't.

The law here says the plate (licence) belongs at all times to the council.
It was never anyone's property to buy or sell.

What they buy or sell is a limited company or similar. They would still own said company so they have lost nothing.
Except the value of a plate that they or their company didn't own.

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gusmac wrote:
toots wrote:
gusmac wrote:
toots wrote:
sunset wrote:
ok dokey i think you might be right

but as i said that would be challenged, lets hope it does nae happen

Im warming to new york new york


I'm curious how they would be in a position to challenge anything, should it come to that


They all paid huge amounts for something which has no value.
Unless they can prove the council encouraged them to buy these plates, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Caveat emptor


It only has no value if the system (therefore the demand) changes.


That doesn't come into it.
In E&W you can buy or sell a licence. Here you can't.

The law here says the plate (licence) belongs at all times to the council.
It was never anyone's property to buy or sell.

What they buy or sell is a limited company or similar. They would still own said company so they have lost nothing.
Except the value of a plate that they or their company didn't own.


Bang on Gusmac,
It is abundantly clear in black and white that 'Plates have no intrinsic value' they belong to the council and also they can be revoked at any time by the council so why the hell do these people on here believe that the council owe them something and they will challenge for compensation if the council de-restricts. If de-restriction is implemented, then, if these people are naive enough to think they can take the council to court and win compensation then let them go ahead. It was always a risk buying a plate and for that reason 120 people made applications for licenses using the correct process when it was identified there was an unmet demand. The council used an illegal (closed) list to satisfy the unmet demand and issued 31 plates hence the current court case. This Reggie guy wants to protect any value a plate accrues by wanting a New York model, if it happens then so be it, i personally do not think it has a hope in hells chance if anything de-restriction will come about depending on the outcome of the court case also Jasbar and Skulls case on Human Rights is still ongoing and that will be very interesting indeed.

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gusmac wrote:
toots wrote:
gusmac wrote:
toots wrote:
sunset wrote:
ok dokey i think you might be right

but as i said that would be challenged, lets hope it does nae happen

Im warming to new york new york


I'm curious how they would be in a position to challenge anything, should it come to that


They all paid huge amounts for something which has no value.
Unless they can prove the council encouraged them to buy these plates, they don't have a leg to stand on.

Caveat emptor


It only has no value if the system (therefore the demand) changes.


That doesn't come into it.
In E&W you can buy or sell a licence. Here you can't.

The law here says the plate (licence) belongs at all times to the council.
It was never anyone's property to buy or sell.

What they buy or sell is a limited company or similar. They would still own said company so they have lost nothing.
Except the value of a plate that they or their company didn't own.


You have misunderstood what I meant. Whilst there is restriction there will be demand, albeit it is filled via the back door. If the system changes to derestriction then the demand will be gone. It is the system that creates the demand not the legalities of the said system. It's been the case for how ever long that you can't buy a plate but they buy the company as you said, this gets around the law.

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jinky,
you say that jimmy and gary's human rights case is on going.

I was not even aware it had even started, I thought it was all in their imaginations.

Human rights cases are probably online, so if you could post a link it would be nice.

Or is it that you believe any crap these two tell you.


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Frank Lay wrote:
jinky,
you say that jimmy and gary's human rights case is on going.

I was not even aware it had even started, I thought it was all in their imaginations.

Human rights cases are probably online, so if you could post a link it would be nice.

Or is it that you believe any crap these two tell you.


Frank,
dont have any links about anything just going by what has been posted in the past. these guys do not appear to make idle threats so i have taken it from that unless you know otherwise if so please impart info.... :-|

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Jinky wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
jinky,
you say that jimmy and gary's human rights case is on going.

I was not even aware it had even started, I thought it was all in their imaginations.

Human rights cases are probably online, so if you could post a link it would be nice.

Or is it that you believe any crap these two tell you.


Frank,
dont have any links about anything just going by what has been posted in the past. these guys do not appear to make idle threats so i have taken it from that unless you know otherwise if so please impart info.... :-|


Sorry to burst your bubble,
But there is no human rights case.
It is just in their imaginations.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Jinky wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
jinky,
you say that jimmy and gary's human rights case is on going.

I was not even aware it had even started, I thought it was all in their imaginations.

Human rights cases are probably online, so if you could post a link it would be nice.

Or is it that you believe any crap these two tell you.


Frank,
dont have any links about anything just going by what has been posted in the past. these guys do not appear to make idle threats so i have taken it from that unless you know otherwise if so please impart info.... :-|


Sorry to burst your bubble,
But there is no human rights case.
It is just in their imaginations.


Well, there you go, Frank knows everything about everything. :lol:

So, he must be right then :lol:

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De-restrict and the council pay compensation


Why would they compensate anybody, there is no loss. The plate has no resale value anyway :? The council could not be expected to compensate for a loss that they themselves are supposedly not to support i.e the selling of a plate via the backdoor through a company :wink:


Correctamundo.

The council has been at pains over the last 6 yrs to point out that liences have "no intrinsic value". That's what Donald Anderson and others have said.

This alone should prevent any legal suit for compensation.

However, the down side is that when the council allowed licences to be incorporated, it had to know the effect of this would be to facilitate transfer and sale. This must concern them.

A decision in Court would absolve the council of any responsibility. It could claim it acted in good faith and the Court would be untouchable for compensation.

A strategy we mooted from the outset.

A court decision in the appeals cases is expected shortly according to usual timescales.

Whatever happens our on-going strategy is already in place.


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jasbar will ye nae jist admit it whit ye say is pish an hud yer weshed ya nutter


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jasbar will ye nae jist admit it whit ye say is pish an hud yer weshed ya nutter


You for real?

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