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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:07 am 
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Of course you are innocent til proven guilty but you've gotta be there to ensure the procedure is followed and that you're not found guilty by default.


"guilt by default" the presumption of innocence, no proof but "guilt by default" because I never turned up.

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It happens all the time. If you don't turn up to defend yourself they will look at the only evidence in front of them i.e the witness statement. I'm glad to see you have acquired a sense of humour now tho, not driving a taxi must agree with you, you should have stopped ages ago

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Please explain how one uncorroborated side of a story somehow becomes established FACT?

Are you saying that it is acceptable for any council, determined to dig out someone who doesn't agree with how it conducts itself and whom they dislike, to use any tittle tattle to justify rendering someone unemployed?

That acceptable to you Toots?


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Jasbar wrote:
Please explain how one uncorroborated side of a story somehow becomes established FACT?

Are you saying that it is acceptable for any council, determined to dig out someone who doesn't agree with how it conducts itself and whom they dislike, to use any tittle tattle to justify rendering someone unemployed?

That acceptable to you Toots?



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Please explain how one uncorroborated side of a story somehow becomes established FACT?


It doesn't matter if it is uncorroborated, it's "guilt by default" happens all the time, apparently :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Jasbar wrote:
Please explain how one uncorroborated side of a story somehow becomes established FACT?

Are you saying that it is acceptable for any council, determined to dig out someone who doesn't agree with how it conducts itself and whom they dislike, to use any tittle tattle to justify rendering someone unemployed?

That acceptable to you Toots?


It doesn't, but, nor does silence prove innocence. Are you suggesting that we should just believe you when you say it's tittle tattle

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Jasbar wrote:
Please explain how one uncorroborated side of a story somehow becomes established FACT?

Are you saying that it is acceptable for any council, determined to dig out someone who doesn't agree with how it conducts itself and whom they dislike, to use any tittle tattle to justify rendering someone unemployed?

That acceptable to you Toots?


It doesn't, but, nor does silence prove innocence. Are you suggesting that we should just believe you when you say it's tittle tattle


It's not up to me to prove my innocence and in this case I couldn't, even if I wanted to, no more that they could prove my guilt.

You just can't be that stupid not to see the obvious in the above.

If they can't prove my guilt then I am innocent - the end.


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Maybe they don't have to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" but just the "balance of probability".

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Maybe they don't have to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" but just the "balance of probability".

I think that's what quasi-judicial means!!!

But more importantly in this case a quasi criminal is;

quasi criminal
A proceeding similar in nature to a criminal trial in that the defendant, if he loses, will be subject to penalties such as fine, loss of job, or confinement, yet it is not a criminal trial presided over by a judge. A parole hearing or a probation hearing are two examples of such.

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Maybe they don't have to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" but just the "balance of probability".


You still need corroboration or credible evidence. One mans allegation against another falls way short of the mark don't you think?





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Grandad, GBC or anyone else for that matter.

Let's say I walked passed you on the rank and you are reading a magazine. I then accuse you of having kiddie porn stuffed between the pages. The rank is covered by CCTV, and all this is caught on camera except for what you were looking at. A punter jumps in your taxi, and you drive off.

As a consequence of my allegation you are brought before the council committee to decide if you are fit to drive a taxi.

Fact, you are on the rank sitting in your vehicle. CCTV footage establishes you were there at the time and place.

Fact, you were looking at a magazine. We can see that from the CCTV footage also.

Fact, I walked passed and looked in your window and saw what you were looking at in the magazine. This too is captured on CCTV.

I've now established three facts, but you deny this serious allegation. You can't prove your innocence but I, nor the council can prove your guilt. The police can't find the kiddie porn anywhere.

In the interests of child safety should the council remove your licence, and how do they decide?

What credible evidence should they base their decision on?

That's assuming the burden of proof to prove your guilt is theirs and not yours to prove your innocence.

Oh and remember, there were no facts established in my case just a simple allegation.


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Maybe they don't have to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" but just the "balance of probability".


You still need corroboration or credible evidence. One mans allegation against another falls way short of the mark don't you think?


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I guess it depends on how credible the witness is or is seen to be. You have ignored all requests and refuse to attend the proceedings and show no respect for any authority. They can't wait indefinately for you to appear and give your side of the story, you left them no alternative but to suspend you and that was your plan. You achieved what you set out to achieve so personally I think it's time to stop bitching about it and take the next step, whatever that is.

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good analogy, should be interesting replies. I for one would say innocent due to hearsay not admissable as evidence.

BTW I reguarly rant about TTF and all dance music for that matter :wink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_66dho7tkU

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grumpy wrote:
good analogy, should be interesting replies. I for one would say innocent due to hearsay not admissable as evidence.

BTW I reguarly rant about TTF and all dance music for that matter :wink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_66dho7tkU


I gave it a new thread just to see :wink:


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