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I agree. I also don't see why it should only be for new applicants.


Because the vast majority of cab drivers are actually decent drivers?

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I agree. I also don't see why it should only be for new applicants.


Because the vast majority of cab drivers are actually decent drivers?

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Exactly

However in the last couple of years it has become apparent that the influx of drivers from other countries do not seem to meet the same driving standards as the UK.
We all know that to pass the UK standard driving test you have to reach a certain standard, what we don`t know is what the standards are like everywhere else.

The DSA taxi test is a nationally recognised qualification to UK standards so if you take it to meet the requirements of one council it is transferable to other councils if required.

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gusmac wrote:
I agree. I also don't see why it should only be for new applicants.


Because the vast majority of cab drivers are actually decent drivers?

CC


I don't agree. If you are going to insist that newcomers pass a DSA test then those already in the trade should have to do the same. It appears to me that those already in the trade agree with a DSA test for new drivers as a measure of restriction

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I don't agree. If you are going to insist that newcomers pass a DSA test then those already in the trade should have to do the same. It appears to me that those already in the trade agree with a DSA test for new drivers as a measure of restriction


you wouldn't. :lol:

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I don't agree. If you are going to insist that newcomers pass a DSA test then those already in the trade should have to do the same. It appears to me that those already in the trade agree with a DSA test for new drivers as a measure of restriction


you wouldn't. :lol:

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I do sometimes, just not this time :roll:

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I do sometimes, just not this time :roll:


You think the same about training too I think :lol:

tell me why I should pass a DSA test with an unblemished record for 20 years.

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I don't agree. If you are going to insist that newcomers pass a DSA test then those already in the trade should have to do the same. It appears to me that those already in the trade agree with a DSA test for new drivers as a measure of restriction


You are right in one way - some drivers see it as another barrier to entry.

I however take pride in my job and want to see the right people coming into the trade which in turn benefits all of us.

I would also be happy to take the test myself if required.

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When I went for my driving test in Germany back in 1979,
I had to do the Theory tick test 10 years before it was brought in over here
basic vehicle checks, change a wheel, drive at night, and on the autobahn, and basic first aid.
The examiner asked how many lessons I had had and I said none the look on his face said a right one here
I passed with flying colours as I had been driving on my own over here for 2 years without taking any lessons, just bought a Wolseley 1660 off a farmer for £5.00 jumped in and off I went, driving from Thirsk to Fort George in Inverness on the first day, then up and down for the next 2 years when on leave, on a provisional licence no RT or insurance no qualified driver or L plates, and yes I know I should not have done that but a young squady with passion wagon will travel


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I do sometimes, just not this time :roll:


You think the same about training too I think :lol:

tell me why I should pass a DSA test with an unblemished record for 20 years.

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Just to prove you ain't a lucky sod :lol:

You know my views about training and NVQ assessment, which isn't training :wink: It's not so much training the drivers could do with but just education about the trade they wish to enter. Is that such a bad thing?

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Because the vast majority of cab drivers are actually decent drivers?

Maybe majority.

Vast majority? :?

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tell me why I should pass a DSA test with an unblemished record for 20 years.

Everyone needs refresher training, and ours must be the only trade that it never seems to apply to.

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When I went for my driving test in Germany back in 1979,
and yes I know I should not have done that but a young squady with passion wagon will travel


and I know a bloke who drove HGV's for 20 years having never taken a test, mind you he was chucked keys to a tank transporter and told to get on with it, North Africa/Libya/Italy in WW2 was a different place then though, good old dad! demobbed and given his class 1 licence.

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You know my views about training and NVQ assessment, which isn't training :wink: It's not so much training the drivers could do with but just education about the trade they wish to enter.


Toots not squared, "training and NVQ assessment, which isn't training" your first quoted word says that it is!

Then followed with "not so much training....but education" I wonder what education is if it is not training.

Those in need of retraining, re-educating or re-examining (you choose which is most applicable) should do so only if they are proved to be in need of these services. Those in receipt of complaints, points on license etcetera, are the drivers that I have in mind.

New entrants could be considered as a target for these "courses", though I personally don't see that they are really needed - many if not most LA's have a probationary period of One Year - and this is the very best "Training".

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Chris the Fish wrote:
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You know my views about training and NVQ assessment, which isn't training :wink: It's not so much training the drivers could do with but just education about the trade they wish to enter.


Toots not squared, "training and NVQ assessment, which isn't training" your first quoted word says that it is!

Then followed with "not so much training....but education" I wonder what education is if it is not training.

Those in need of retraining, re-educating or re-examining (you choose which is most applicable) should do so only if they are proved to be in need of these services. Those in receipt of complaints, points on license etcetera, are the drivers that I have in mind.

New entrants could be considered as a target for these "courses", though I personally don't see that they are really needed - many if not most LA's have a probationary period of One Year - and this is the very best "Training".


I may be being a little pedantic but training is the action of teaching a skill, education is however a far broader spectrum of learning and cognitive development and examination is just a method of assessment to add a perceived value to any training or education :wink: I doubt we will ever agree on who should and shouldn't be 'trained/educated' but I do feel there are a lot of drivers out there that miss opportunities due to a lack of knowledge or ability. These drivers if educated further or trained would be far better equipped for the trade they wish to enter or currently work in. I understand the logic behind the 'wait until they make mistakes' arguement, but, at whose expense will that mistake be made

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