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So after reading through the various pages of 'we've won' 'no, the council are still winning' . . . Can anyone confirm if any new taxi licenses have been physicaly granted over the number currently issued?



That'll be a no then? :?


Reading between the lines, one has been granted by the Sheriff and several others are waiting for their cases to be unsisted.

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So after reading through the various pages of 'we've won' 'no, the council are still winning' . . . Can anyone confirm if any new taxi licenses have been physicaly granted over the number currently issued?



That'll be a no then? :?


Reading between the lines, one has been granted by the Sheriff and several others are waiting for their cases to be unsisted.


The test case was won, and now all the sisted cases are recalled and granted as a consequence.


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thanks for your reply skull. as a relative newbie to the trade i'm still trying to get my head round all this. so now all the recalled cases will automatically be granted a plate. did somebody mention that was 60 cases? so if i put an application in now they would still have 6 months to give me a final decision right? what i don't really understand is that if the test case is won, the council are not appealing the decision and all the sisted cases are to be granted a plate why would the council still force people down the court route to get a plate when they know they are going to lose?


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60 new licenses....wow....where they all going to stand?

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thanks for your reply skull. as a relative newbie to the trade i'm still trying to get my head round all this. so now all the recalled cases will automatically be granted a plate. did somebody mention that was 60 cases? so if i put an application in now they would still have 6 months to give me a final decision right? what i don't really understand is that if the test case is won, the council are not appealing the decision and all the sisted cases are to be granted a plate why would the council still force people down the court route to get a plate when they know they are going to lose?


The first objective of government is to control people like you and me and to serve their own careers and political agendas. It really doesn't get any more complicated than that. The court system is simply their weapon of choice to beat you down. Starting with the costs involved. I could go on but I think you get the picture.


There are no guarantees when it comes to a legal challenge but there is safety in numbers.

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gusmac wrote:
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So after reading through the various pages of 'we've won' 'no, the council are still winning' . . . Can anyone confirm if any new taxi licenses have been physicaly granted over the number currently issued?



That'll be a no then? :?


Reading between the lines, one has been granted by the Sheriff and several others are waiting for their cases to be unsisted.


Yes the court decision has gone in their favour BUT the council has YET to decide on appealling the courts decision, i understand the POLICE are showing against more licences as they fear the licences will fall in to the wrong hands, the POLICE also have concerns on where this decision leads to as far as de-restriction by the back door goes, they fear saturation and as Edinburgh is a small city the police back restriction as the police fear meltdown of the taxi trade, the council solicitor is on a 1 week holiday SO nobody has won anything, the funding for court cases and appeals etc come directly from the Taxi trade not the Tax payer

This is like a game of Football with them winning at HALF TIME but it's the FULL time result that counts

There is a white paper due out concerning the issue of the whole trade in Scotland and especially the infiltration of the PHC trade by organised crime gangs

Skull and Jasbar you have won Feck all at the moment and i agree it's a 50/50 on the 27 licences but trust me that will be it, the Police are backing the reform of the CGSA section 12, the trade are backing it, the government are sick fed up with the trouble the cgsa is causing and the council are extremely interested in a review and reform

You might win a fight but you will not win the war :wink:

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gusmac wrote:
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So after reading through the various pages of 'we've won' 'no, the council are still winning' . . . Can anyone confirm if any new taxi licenses have been physicaly granted over the number currently issued?



That'll be a no then? :?


Reading between the lines, one has been granted by the Sheriff and several others are waiting for their cases to be unsisted.


Yes the court decision has gone in their favour BUT the council has YET to decide on appealling the courts decision, i understand the POLICE are showing against more licences as they fear the licences will fall in to the wrong hands, the POLICE also have concerns on where this decision leads to as far as de-restriction by the back door goes, they fear saturation and as Edinburgh is a small city the police back restriction as the police fear meltdown of the taxi trade, the council solicitor is on a 1 week holiday SO nobody has won anything, the funding for court cases and appeals etc come directly from the Taxi trade not the Tax payer

This is like a game of Football with them winning at HALF TIME but it's the FULL time result that counts

There is a white paper due out concerning the issue of the whole trade in Scotland and especially the infiltration of the PHC trade by organised crime gangs

Skull and Jasbar you have won Feck all at the moment and i agree it's a 50/50 on the 27 licences but trust me that will be it, the Police are backing the reform of the CGSA section 12, the trade are backing it, the government are sick fed up with the trouble the cgsa is causing and the council are extremely interested in a review and reform

You might win a fight but you will not win the war :wink:



Dougie, the CGSA will be reviewed in accordance with HRA, I would be careful what you wish for. :shock:

As for the rest of your tripe, I'm starting to feel embarrassed.

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Skull wrote:
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gusmac wrote:
GBC wrote:
GBC wrote:
So after reading through the various pages of 'we've won' 'no, the council are still winning' . . . Can anyone confirm if any new taxi licenses have been physicaly granted over the number currently issued?



That'll be a no then? :?


Reading between the lines, one has been granted by the Sheriff and several others are waiting for their cases to be unsisted.


Yes the court decision has gone in their favour BUT the council has YET to decide on appealling the courts decision, i understand the POLICE are showing against more licences as they fear the licences will fall in to the wrong hands, the POLICE also have concerns on where this decision leads to as far as de-restriction by the back door goes, they fear saturation and as Edinburgh is a small city the police back restriction as the police fear meltdown of the taxi trade, the council solicitor is on a 1 week holiday SO nobody has won anything, the funding for court cases and appeals etc come directly from the Taxi trade not the Tax payer

This is like a game of Football with them winning at HALF TIME but it's the FULL time result that counts

There is a white paper due out concerning the issue of the whole trade in Scotland and especially the infiltration of the PHC trade by organised crime gangs

Skull and Jasbar you have won Feck all at the moment and i agree it's a 50/50 on the 27 licences but trust me that will be it, the Police are backing the reform of the CGSA section 12, the trade are backing it, the government are sick fed up with the trouble the cgsa is causing and the council are extremely interested in a review and reform

You might win a fight but you will not win the war :wink:



Dougie, the CGSA will be reviewed in accordance with HRA, I would be careful what you wish for. :shock:

As for the rest of your tripe, I'm starting to feel embarrassed.

:oops:

Restricting licences through cost doesn't breach the Human rights act :wink:

You do agree though that you and Jasbar have JUMPED the gun a bit here, you do agree at this point you's have won feck all, you's do agree that there is a high chance of the council appealing the courts decision, the trade and police will make sure of that :wink:

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you do know what a deemed grant is don't you Dougie ?
you do understand what the terms of that grant are don't you ?

perhaps you should read things in their entirety
rather than trying to focus on details that only you believe to be relevant .
the licenses are granted their is nothing the council can do now, and i suspect its exactly what was expected and maybe even engineered that way by the council.

talk about believing your own tripe :oops:


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why on earth would the police object ??? :D :D :D
and what on earth makes you think their objection is relevant to the legislation if indeed they did object.

you seem to be under the impression that objecting to something means it gets kiboshed.

its not moral justice,or decency that the law prescribes to

its truth and justice to the word of the legislation.that what the law is about.
it has precious little to do with morality and fairness.

try not to get confused.


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You could say your test case was the test case that broke the camals back, and hey maybe Colin Keir knew this :wink:

The Fight is not won the fight goes on

Watch this space :wink:



You are a [edited by admin] head case Dougie.

The council has already thrown in the towel. I know for a fact they are not going to appeal against the Sheriff's decision. It's game over. The council has lost in the most inglorious fashion.

If anyone is thinking about applying do it now. What is the council going to do, anyone who applied originally is entitled to a licence as much as anyone else and what about those who never had the opportunity? Remember, that was 27 licence application out of 99. It's time to fill your boots' boys. The council has lost and they have no more stomach for the fight.

200K, of tax payers money to get your arse kicked all over the court system. I don't think the council will be fighting any applications soon or for sometime in the future.

Enjoy Dougie, and just think, if the taxi trade had bought us off or paid us to fight for the trade you “businessmen” might have saved a fortune. :wink:


A bit premature as usual, big man. The sheriff ONLY refused to accept the the way the IPL was used in this case. Note, he did accept that such a list was valid to consult.
So, when you remove the list from the equation, it doesn't mean open house for plates. It doesn't mean that everybody can get a licence. It doesn't bring earlier refusals or sisted cases back into play. It does mean 1 licence issued if the council accept the sheriff's flawed logic.

All your bluster just more hot air; more lies; and another attempt to mislead and waste other people's cash.


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oh and Dougie if you're over charging one licenses type then im afraid it would have to follow that all license types would be the same.

cant see that being a vote winner for the snp :oops:

cant see any business whom rely on a public license paying 100k for it when it was previously a couple of hundred quid can you
seriously. :oops: :oops: :oops:

i cant believe your talking this seriously.
yer either delusional or you being fed a crock of [edited by admin] by ppl who are laughing their heads off at you behind your back.
did you hand out flyer's for the snp campaign by any chance. :oops: :oops:

then again perhaps it just your blinkered interpretation of what you've been told
in other words its beyond your pay grade and rightly so. :D :D


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You could say your test case was the test case that broke the camals back, and hey maybe Colin Keir knew this :wink:

The Fight is not won the fight goes on

Watch this space :wink:



You are a [edited by admin] head case Dougie.

The council has already thrown in the towel. I know for a fact they are not going to appeal against the Sheriff's decision. It's game over. The council has lost in the most inglorious fashion.

If anyone is thinking about applying do it now. What is the council going to do, anyone who applied originally is entitled to a licence as much as anyone else and what about those who never had the opportunity? Remember, that was 27 licence application out of 99. It's time to fill your boots' boys. The council has lost and they have no more stomach for the fight.

200K, of tax payers money to get your arse kicked all over the court system. I don't think the council will be fighting any applications soon or for sometime in the future.

Enjoy Dougie, and just think, if the taxi trade had bought us off or paid us to fight for the trade you “businessmen” might have saved a fortune. :wink:


A bit premature as usual, big man. The sheriff ONLY refused to accept the the way the IPL was used in this case. Note, he did accept that such a list was valid to consult.
So, when you remove the list from the equation, it doesn't mean open house for plates. It doesn't mean that everybody can get a licence. It doesn't bring earlier refusals or sisted cases back into play. It does mean 1 licence issued if the council accept the sheriff's flawed logic.

All your bluster just more hot air; more lies; and another attempt to mislead and waste other people's cash.
if they are sisted awaiting the outcome of this case and the sheriff has ordered a deemed grant then it follows that these cases are also recalled and granted as the test case has now been determined


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So which cases are sisted awaiting the outcome of this case?

None that I know of.


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