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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:10 pm 
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Gobby wrote:
So first you say LOs would never have time to indulge in this, next you quantify "even if they did" its still ok? :roll:

I'm breaking a habit of a lifetime replying to you, but I will explain to you in plain English what I mean, although I suspect most on here will not require such a clarification.

I don't think any, I repeat any, LOs could give a f*** what's recorded when the vehicle isn't working.

However if CCTV saved a driver's life, or saved him/her from a beating, or stopped non-payers/runners, or put an end to false accusations, or made some drivers behave better to punters, or led to some scum drivers losing their licenses, or gave added confidence to customers to use our services, isn't a few nosey LOs a very small price to pay?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:38 pm 
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So first you say LOs would never have time to indulge in this, next you quantify "even if they did" its still ok? :roll:

I'm breaking a habit of a lifetime replying to you, but I will explain to you in plain English what I mean, although I suspect most on here will not require such a clarification.

I don't think any, I repeat any, LOs could give a f*** what's recorded when the vehicle isn't working.

However if CCTV saved a driver's life, or saved him/her from a beating, or stopped non-payers/runners, or put an end to false accusations, or made some drivers behave better to punters, or led to some scum drivers losing their licenses, or gave added confidence to customers to use our services, isn't a few nosey LOs a very small price to pay?


Very well said sir thank you.

how ever i have just been told they are to appeal. i just hope they get a better bariter.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:40 pm 
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how ever i have just been told they are to appeal. i just hope they get a better bariter.

Not for the first time Charlie you have lost me. 8-[

Who are they? :?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:46 pm 
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Having witnessed first hand the Entertainment value this gives to some council CCTV operators I would not wish my entire life in the Taxi, both working and social to be laid bare before them. Their front of "very professional", never disclose and respecting data protection is far from the truth within their own circles. I would consider this a total infringement of my liberty and personal life. How many Government workers can you imagine welcoming a 24/7 video/audio surveillance of their lives?

Are you seriously expecting us to believe that you have been present when the cctv from a taxi has been viewed by the council for an investigation? The cctv from a taxi should only be viewed following an incident. Unless there has been an incident, why would the cctv from a taxi be in the possetion of the council?


Not Taxis, but old drinking buddies who loved to relate what they had seen on security cameras "between you me and the gatepost"...I see no reason why, given human nature, a council employee should be any different when tanked up and wishing to impress.

Hang on a minute, firstly you say "the Entertainment value this gives to some council CCTV operators" and now you say "I see no reason why, given human nature, a council employee should be any different". So you haven't actually seen anything first hand and it wasn't council employees relating second hand information. :roll:
What someone has seen on a security camera has absolutly nothing to do with in car CCTV. Security cameras are monitored. In car CCTV is not monitered at all. It is only viewed if there has been a problem.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:54 pm 
Well they split the atom, a hair poses no problem here then.

If the subjects slipped away, attacking the messenger is poor substitute.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:56 pm 
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I dont recall call saying its charlie's Association calls for cctv in all cabs

Mind you i did andrew overton some years ago why dont you put them in when you make them well it came down to money i would have thought it would have been cheper.


Charlie, It would be much cheaper and affordable if you remove a Councils need to have their snouts peering over your shoulder. Wonder how Southampton are doing? :D



The drivers in Southampton have something to hide if they don't want CCTV, are they scared of the Tax man looking into how much they are taking? Is it the 24/7 coverage? Something doesn't ring right here.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:05 am 
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isn't a few nosey LOs a very small price to pay?


You have lost the drift old chap: If LO want to be nosy then let them pay for it, and not us!

If anyone came down the Taxi rank one night and said I want £400 cash from each of you to enable the council to spy on your working practices. I wonder if each and everyone would stump up the cash there and then in belief it would rid the trade of some of the crap that gives us all a bad name?

Or if given the choice buy their own £60 CCTV for their personal protection and demand the LO does his job properly to rid the trade of the crap?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:19 am 
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Gobby wrote:
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isn't a few nosey LOs a very small price to pay?


You have lost the drift old chap: If LO want to be nosy then let them pay for it, and not us!

If anyone came down the Taxi rank one night and said I want £400 cash from each of you to enable the council to spy on your working practices. I wonder if each and everyone would stump up the cash there and then in belief it would rid the trade of some of the crap that gives us all a bad name?

Or if given the choice buy their own £60 CCTV for their personal protection and demand the LO does his job properly to rid the trade of the crap?

The council are not going to be spying on you are they. The council will not have access to the cctv unless there is a problem. :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:43 am 
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We see this the only way to stop members of the public falsly accusing Drivers.



=D>

My £42 EBay unit works just fine, it also records sound unlike the £800 systems.

I used it in a complaint last year, albeit it was a stupid drunk complaining about nothing.

The PCO said nothing about it being an 'unapproved' type, and promptly binned the complaint after they viewed his drunken bollox behaviour.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:06 am 
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GBC wrote:
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We see this the only way to stop members of the public falsly accusing Drivers.



=D>

My £42 EBay unit works just fine, it also records sound unlike the £800 systems.

I used it in a complaint last year, albeit it was a stupid drunk complaining about nothing.

The PCO said nothing about it being an 'unapproved' type, and promptly binned the complaint after they viewed his drunken bollox behaviour.

Well done. It just shows that it works. Lets hope you don't need it again.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:45 am 
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GBC wrote:

=D>

My £42 EBay unit works just fine, it also records sound unlike the £800 systems.

I used it in a complaint last year, albeit it was a stupid drunk complaining about nothing.

The PCO said nothing about it being an 'unapproved' type, and promptly binned the complaint after they viewed his drunken bollox behaviour.



Kindo of says something about those LA's wanting us to pay £800 plus.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:02 am 
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Kindo of says something about those LA's wanting us to pay £800 plus.

You make a good point Captain.

However the reason some areas have a crazy £800 criteria is because they haven't been briefed properly by the local trade, or have been briefed by members of the local trade that are selling the £800 systems.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:10 am 
You both underwrite the thrust of my opinion, well done and welcome to my world :)

That LA's are hell bent to cover every angle preventing these things to be deactivated by the unworthy driver (who paid for them) escalating cost to biblical proportions that is doubly laughable for the impossibility to prevent this ever happening. The real grease-ball if there are any left once the Inspectors done his screening :lol: :lol: :lol: will switch it off, pull the fuse or stick a lump of gum over the lens when he is about to perpetrate his misdeed. As is usual our money is driven down the drain on the cock eyed planning of bureaucrats left to run the asylum without a clue to the real world. :twisted: :twisted:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:17 am 
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Kindo of says something about those LA's wanting us to pay £800 plus.

You make a good point Captain.

However the reason some areas have a crazy £800 criteria is because they haven't been briefed properly by the local trade, or have been briefed by members of the local trade that are selling the £800 systems.


I believe Brighton was well briefed on this too before it was woken up and certain individuals had to quickly disappear.


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well some intresting points, but what the call was for for the trade to protect themself against all complaints, all of us who have nothing to hide will not have a problem, there are some in this trade however that need to be got rid of.

i am not saying you need to spend £800 either, there are cheper ones that do the job and have audio. the local council need not be involved in the collection of data.

I have never said that we make it compulsary either, but dont rule it out if things comtinue not only the more serious issues, but against some council enforcemt officers.

Its a joke were drivers say i dont need cctv i never get any trouble, "it only take once"
but for the grace of god. But remenber this its very much onesided out there.

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