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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:44 pm 
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So dusty your point is ??? Blowing in the wind...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:52 pm 
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Stuck record comes to mind :roll:


Pot and kettle comes to mine.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:58 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
Stuck record comes to mind :roll:

Far be it from me to defend the Bin, especially as according to Mr Doom we are one of the same. ](*,)

But the point he makes about the way some in the trade defend quotas, by saying it improves standards, is rubbish, always has been and it applies now.

That doesn't mean that quotas mean iffy standards, again those that say that are wrong. Its just too much of generalisation to say either.

For every Blackpool there is a Manchester, for every London there is a Lewes (sorry local joke).

However if those that defend quotas wish to ignore the sound advice from the Law Commission by not concentrating on congestion and pollution, then so be it.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:13 pm 
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I'm at a loss which scientific analysis you may be referring too, any chance you could post it for me please. Also for the record, again, I'm not an advocate of restriction of vehicles as such, it's just that derestriction doesn't work unless you restrict by imposing an expensive model type as part of the deal so that just creates a restriction via means to purchase. Strange thing the free market :wink:


As I said it's in the OFT's report Toots. It wasn't about standards per se, but it did analyse accident rates between restricted and unrestricted areas and found no differnence, thus the safety argument doesn't hold water.

As for your latter point, again this underlines the preocuppation with vehicles rather than drivers.

And you also imply a crude dichotomy between a free market and onerous vehicle quality regulation, but it's a bit like your dismissal of the concept of a tightly restricted market. It's not black and white and there's lots of shades inbetween, but no taxi market in the UK is what anyone could reasonably describe as 'free'.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:14 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
So dusty your point is ??? Blowing in the wind...


My point is the one so ably articulated by Sussex just a few minutes ago :D


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:25 pm 
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Surely the council sets the standards for vehicles,be it restricted or not ? I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become.Same argument as for age limits i dont think it generally matters if its well maintained.Whats the difference between a 4 year old vehicle with drivers running 24/7 or a ten year old owner driven ? Quite a lot by experience id say.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:27 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
Surely the council sets the standards for vehicles,be it restricted or not ? I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become.Same argument as for age limits i dont think it generally matters if its well maintained.Whats the difference between a 4 year old vehicle with drivers running 24/7 or a ten year old owner driven ? Quite a lot by experience id say.



No....the argument is that your far better off borrowing £35K from Santander or the HSBC or even Black Horse finance for an unknown income with a brand new cab.....than borrowing a similar amount for a second hand cab with a known income.

Make sense now? :wink:

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blackpool wrote:
Surely the council sets the standards for vehicles,be it restricted or not ? I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become.


Contradict yourself, why don't you? :D

And your second sentence bears repeating:

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I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become


And this is from Blackpool with its £40k plates and fleet of, er, dubious quality? Image


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:42 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
blackpool wrote:
Surely the council sets the standards for vehicles,be it restricted or not ? I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become.


Contradict yourself, why don't you? :D

And your second sentence bears repeating:

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I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become


And this is from Blackpool with its £40k plates and fleet of, er, dubious quality? Image



Thats right dusty.....£40K.........how much is a new TX? Is It £600 or £700 per month? over 4 or 5 years?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:45 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
Surely the council sets the standards for vehicles,be it restricted or not ? I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become.


Contradict yourself, why don't you?

And your second sentence bears repeating:

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I personally think the less you are able to earn the worse the vehicles become


And this is from Blackpool with its £40k plates and fleet of, er, dubious quality? :

Contradicting ? As i said the council sets the standards, and the 40 grand plates and dubious quality as ive said before you sure know a lot about blackpool :lol: :lol:


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blackpool wrote:
Contradicting ? As i said the council sets the standards, and the 40 grand plates and dubious quality as ive said before you sure know a lot about blackpool :lol: :lol:


Indeed, "as you said before" - I'd worked out your response when composing my post.

So how much are plates worth, and what's the quality of the fleet like in this parallel Blackpool taxi universe? :wink:


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Mr Dusty Bin.... would you like to rename this thread..... as you have totally taken it away from its Point...... but as a matter of interest... if you go back through the files on TDO.. you will see continuously everybody complaining about enforcement... so if there has been no enforcement... then there cannot be any records or statistics to make comparisons.... which was why the OFT"s report was fundamentally flawed..

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:58 pm 
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Dusty you sure your not from here,maybe you work the prom with your crystal ball because your just too clever for me.Plates are worth nothing are they not ? How exactly do you know the current state of vehicles ,age limits ,values ect ect or do you ?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:59 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
toots wrote:
I'm at a loss which scientific analysis you may be referring too, any chance you could post it for me please. Also for the record, again, I'm not an advocate of restriction of vehicles as such, it's just that derestriction doesn't work unless you restrict by imposing an expensive model type as part of the deal so that just creates a restriction via means to purchase. Strange thing the free market :wink:


As I said it's in the OFT's report Toots. It wasn't about standards per se, but it did analyse accident rates between restricted and unrestricted areas and found no differnence, thus the safety argument doesn't hold water.

As for your latter point, again this underlines the preocuppation with vehicles rather than drivers.

And you also imply a crude dichotomy between a free market and onerous vehicle quality regulation, but it's a bit like your dismissal of the concept of a tightly restricted market. It's not black and white and there's lots of shades inbetween, but no taxi market in the UK is what anyone could reasonably describe as 'free'.


You're probably right about my pre occupation with vehicles but that's because our driver standards are the same here so it's only the vehicle type that restricts entry into the taxi trade. I have to say I don't think accidents is quite the same as safety now is it :wink: I'd still like it if you could be an angel and post it for me cos I'm bored looking for it and I haven't come across it before :D

Btw the fleet looked alright in Blackpool last few times I was there

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Dusty Bin wrote:
blackpool wrote:
Contradicting ? As i said the council sets the standards, and the 40 grand plates and dubious quality as ive said before you sure know a lot about blackpool :lol: :lol:


Indeed, "as you said before" - I'd worked out your response when composing my post.

So how much are plates worth, and what's the quality of the fleet like in this parallel Blackpool taxi universe? :wink:



as good as a deregulated area i'd guess......but what was your point....were you saying....or assuming others would say different?

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