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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:05 pm 
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If there was a choice over restricting drivers numbers and restricting taxi numbers, then I would happily go for restricting drivers.

Then they would have all the power.

One of these days the taxi unions might actually fight for the average driver, instead of the average spiv boss.

why don't you just be honest... less drivers... equals more money in yours and dusty's pocket :shock:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:07 pm 
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why don't you just be honest... less drivers... equals more money in yours and dusty's pocket :shock:

Of course.

But I don't want to restrict either, rather I would like higher unrestricted standards on both vehicles and drivers.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:10 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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why don't you just be honest... less drivers... equals more money in yours and dusty's pocket :shock:

Of course.

But I don't want to restrict either, rather I would like higher unrestricted standards on both vehicles and drivers.

hidden agendas... the best place to hide a piece of wood is in a log pile...

you're the one that is always going on about hire driver standards

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:11 pm 
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Yes, there's so little money around that to put a taxi on in Blackpool I'd have to shell out £30/40k for a plate and less than a tenth of that for a vehicle.


So your point is ?would it be ok to shell out 35 grand on a new vehicle with a free plate then ? As for the never ending supply of drivers, i dont see that many, and i see a lot of rentals going.Dusty you really dont know what the f@ck your on about regards where i work.Maybe its different in dusty(cuckooland).....?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:20 pm 
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you're the one that is always going on about hire driver standards

I want all driver's standards to improve, beginning with a vastly improved taxi/PH entry criteria.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:21 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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you're the one that is always going on about hire driver standards

I want all driver's standards to improve, beginning with a vastly improved taxi/PH entry criteria.

precisely.... keep people out

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:27 pm 
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My point was to demonstrate where the benefit of the restriction goes - the profiteering - while the pubile derive little or no benefit.



But according to annex c of the oft report the taxi service in a deregulated area is actually worse than a regulated one.....wheres the public benefit in that?

or did you forget the public?

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I think you're quoting one paragraph or so out of several thousand :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:28 pm 
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Dusty's version of Ferness is to create a system of licensing, by which you can implement more and more red tape to provide conditions to keep drivers out.. just restrict them from attaining a licence.... drivers licence....


And your idea of fairness is an endless supply of drivers who pay you inflated rentals becasue you don't like the idea of the running their own taxi, for obvious reasons. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:32 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Dusty's version of Ferness is to create a system of licensing, by which you can implement more and more red tape to provide conditions to keep drivers out.. just restrict them from attaining a licence.... drivers licence....


And your idea of fairness is an endless supply of drivers who pay you inflated rentals becasue you don't like the idea of the running their own taxi, for obvious reasons. :roll:

And exactly how much do my drivers pay me... and please give us examples of all these inflated rentals you refer to continuously.... or are they part of your imagination..

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:34 pm 
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MR T wrote:
Sussex wrote:
If there was a choice over restricting drivers numbers and restricting taxi numbers, then I would happily go for restricting drivers.

Then they would have all the power.

One of these days the taxi unions might actually fight for the average driver, instead of the average spiv boss.

why don't you just be honest... less drivers... equals more money in yours and dusty's pocket :shock:


Yes, but it's a level playing field, unlike what you, Blackpool, Captain Cab, Toots and the rest of them want.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:36 pm 
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MR T wrote:
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Dusty's version of Ferness is to create a system of licensing, by which you can implement more and more red tape to provide conditions to keep drivers out.. just restrict them from attaining a licence.... drivers licence....


And your idea of fairness is an endless supply of drivers who pay you inflated rentals becasue you don't like the idea of the running their own taxi, for obvious reasons. :roll:

And exactly how much do my drivers pay me... and please give us examples of all these inflated rentals you refer to continuously.... or are they part of your imagination..


How woulld I know how much your drivers pay you?

All I know is that licences are restricted thus rentals must be inflated.

But if you're running your operation as a charity then I do apologise, but that's certainly not the norm.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:36 pm 
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One of these days the taxi unions might actually fight for the average driver, instead of the average spiv boss.

why don't you just be honest... less drivers... equals more money in yours and dusty's pocket

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Yes, but it's a level playing field, unlike what you, Blackpool, Captain Cab, Toots and the rest of them want
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it's just a playing field... that suits your pocket :roll:[/quote]

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precisely.... keep people out

Keeping those not committed to the trade and it's punters out, oh yes. \:D/

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:39 pm 
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How woulld I know how much your drivers pay you?

All I know is that licences are restricted thus rentals must be inflated.

But if you're running your operation as a charity then I do apologise, but that's certainly not the norm.
I have told you many many times before.. not to make assumptions... also least this time you're being honest.... and emitting you haven't got a clue.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:50 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
I don't normally subscribe to the dumb-taxi-driving-brunette-who-can't-Google


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Yes, but the point I was alluding to initially - which you're clearly about ten years behind on thus perhaps missed that point ever so slightly - was your cartel cronies' claim that restricted numbers mean higher standards, safer vehicles etc. The onus is on them to demonstrate that. You rightly say there's no definitive evidence to support the claim, thus you're undermining their claim rather than supporting it, but I don't think you realise that


There you go again implying I'm dumb :sad: Of course I realise what I said there's no support for either side of the argument, but, why would I care cos neither side are my cronies. The report in this thread refers to both taxis and ph and as you know ph has never been restricted so if we follow your theory all the ph should be in mint condition cos all the drivers in Sefton have a knowledge test and have VRQs and NVQs to boot. I would suggest also that the majority of them own their vehicles like they do here. It's not about restriction or derestriction there simply isn't enough work for the drivers to earn the money to maintain the vehicles. Perhaps it would be better if the companies had to prove there was enough work for drivers they take money from and that authorities set a quota of taxis per persons residing in their authority and also made enquiry as to how many of them required WAVs for transport, they could then allow a set % for visitors. Having a free for all does not work

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As for subsidies, that would just mean more drivers/vehicles in the trade, so back to square one.


Why does it, that's like suggesting if you derestrict there will be more drivers, which has always been a favorite argument of mine only to be told I'm talking rubbish

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Restricted numbers is an indirect subsidy, but you're making the argument that there's no evidence to suggest it increases standards


Is it? The only thing that will increase standards is ability to pay for such increased standards or tougher enforcement if it's vehicles you're referring to.

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Next you'll be arguing for free taxis for customers


I don't need to there are authorities looking into providing transport cards instead of free bus passes so the customer gets to choose how they spend their allowance of transport funds as they like, so it's as good as free taxis

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I think you'll find that subsidies are generally only used to provide a service which wouldn't' otherwise be provided, which kind of conflicts with your argument about overflowing taxi ranks.


I think you'll find that most bus services are on subsidies and I think you'll also find that if there is no profit in the service for the company even with the subsidy they won't run it. I never made an argument in this thread about overflowing taxi ranks although I have seen lots of them and I don't see the relevance of them re subsidies

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