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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:23 pm 
I don't think its Jimbo who's in dreamland.


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Correct, Mr Angel, it's Jimbo AND YOU :lol:

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Correct, Mr Angel, it's Jimbo AND YOU :lol:


I say it as I see it Mr TDO.

I don't adopt the policy of "bull$hit baffles brains" to continue arguement, I don't need to use the "copy and paste" facility to continue debate, all I do is tell it as I see it.

I know its the truth because I don't pretend to be something that I'm not, I have no-one pulling my strings bonny lad.

Its just a shame that you southern softies don't like the truth, cause it hurts.

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i dont really see how the value attributed to a plate is relevent to the demand of the public. Indeed, is it relevent at all? it is by limiting a market that any item gains a value, be that taxi plates, cornflakes, petrol, anything.

It is surely the service offered to the public that is of prime importance, if the public is better served on a 7 days a week basis, a one that guarantees a taxi upon demand, why would they be bothered if the market is limited or delimited?

A limited market is what some places know at the moment, if it serves them well, they will use it, if a delimited market brings them taxis at times dictated by the trade, they wont.

the difference is, knowing what is happening now (the known), and venturing into the unknown.

Justification is all any intelligent person in the HC trade calls for, but then, what price justice?

now theres a loaded question

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i dont really see how the value attributed to a plate is relevent to the demand of the public. Indded is it relevent at all? it is by limiting a market that any item gains a value, be that taxi plates, cornflakes, petrol anything.

Its relevant only because certain people don't want to have to pay it. They don't give a stuff about the demand of the public they only use that as a vehicle to get what they want.
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It is surely the service offered to the public that is of prime importance, if the public is better served on a 7 days a week basis, a one that guarantees a taxi upon demand, why would they be bothered if the market is limited or delimited?

Of course they wouldn't CC. But this argument is not about the consumer getting a taxi, its about people getting plates.
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A limited market is what some places know at the moment, if it serves them well, they will use it, if a delimited market brings them taxis at times dictacted by the trade, they wont.

In Gateshead more cars are working the busy times, fewer are working the quiet times particularly rush hour, many now do school runs.
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the difference is, knowing what is happening now, and venturing into the unknown.
Justification is all any intelligent person in the HC trade calls for, but then, what price justice?

CC no-one ventures into the unknown if council policies are properly decided and a investigation is held to determine any changes required. If that investigation shows that double the number of HC needs to issued and that the total number of new licenses should be WAV's then so be it, they should be issued and as soon as possible, this retains the power within the trade within the council, not with the large PH operators.

Justification is what I'm calling for, justify your policy change and I will back it, just decide to follow the advice of the "specialist" taxi solicitor and derestrict without thought and I will ask for justification.

The price of justice is whatever these large PH offices decide is a price worth paying, ordinary drivers can't set the "price" cause they simply don't have the financial resourses.


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I say it as I see it Mr TDO.

Best get some new specs then.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:18 am 
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I say it as I see it Mr TDO.

Best get some new specs then.


Don't need specs Suspect, got perfect vision me, interfering with myself obviously hasn't had the same effect on me as it has with you. :wink:

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captain cab wrote:
i dont really see how the value attributed to a plate is relevent to the demand of the public. Indeed, is it relevent at all? it is by limiting a market that any item gains a value, be that taxi plates, cornflakes, petrol, anything.

It is surely the service offered to the public that is of prime importance, if the public is better served on a 7 days a week basis, a one that guarantees a taxi upon demand, why would they be bothered if the market is limited or delimited?

If you restrict something, that will get a scarcity value solely on the basis of that restriction.

In the cab trade it's even more apparent. If customers have a restricted choice, then those offering the service can either up their prices to meet demand, as happened in Brighton, or cherry pick the work.

The owners can then dictate to drivers how much rent they pay, or how high a % they pay for the right to work, in the full knowledge that drivers have very little choice.

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In the cab trade it's even more apparent. If customers have a restricted choice, then those offering the service can either up their prices to meet demand, as happened in Brighton, or cherry pick the work.


Wrong quite wrong, the trade can apply to the council for a fare rise, if the council agree then the prices rise. The trade cannot just put up prices.

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A limited market is what some places know at the moment, if it serves them well, they will use it, if a delimited market brings them taxis at times dictated by the trade, they wont.

It all depends on whom 'them' is. If 'them' is the owners of the plates, then you are spot on.

However I have yet to see any evidence that says it's good for punters and non plate-holders.

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[Wrong quite wrong, the trade can apply to the council for a fare rise, if the council agree then the prices rise. The trade cannot just put up prices.

So if there's a demand at night that isn't being met, the T&G don't go to councils and say it's because drivers wont work for those rates. However if you up the night rate, then drivers will flood out.

I think you have been out of the trade too long.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:27 am 
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However I have yet to see any evidence that says it's good for punters and non plate-holders.


The point is that the majority of punters don't care Suspect, just as the majority of non-plateholders don't care.

Your just travelling on their backs.

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The point is that the majority of punters don't care Suspect, just as the majority of non-plateholders don't care.

Confirmation, if any was required, that you have been out of the trade too long.

Or perhaps, not long enough.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:31 am 
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So if there's a demand at night that isn't being met, the T&G don't go to councils and say it's because drivers wont work for those rates. However if you up the night rate, then drivers will flood out.

I think you have been out of the trade too long.


The T&G only get involved if there is a T&G branch Suspect, and if that T&G branch membership direct the representatives to ask for a rise they they have to submit one.

If the council decide to increase fares they are as likely to get opposition to that increase, I quote Mansfield as an example of this.

Your flawed rhetoric is starting to wear thin.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
I quote Mansfield as an example of this.

That would be the last area quoted by any sane person. :shock:

Which perhaps answers my question.

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