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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:19 am 
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Clearer fares bid for taxi journeys

COUNCILLORS are bidding to find a way of making taxi fares clearer to local residents.

Fylde Council is concerned although there is a maximum taxi fare set by then, up to five different tariffs are being operated in the borough.

The council’s public protection committee – who first raised the issue last year – had asked officers to investigate whether it was possible for the council tariff to be shown on the meter, and any discounts only applied at the end of the journey.

As it stands, Whitesides taxi company offer two separate fares – both lower than the council maximum – and Premier Fylde charge the council maximum for taxis hired off the stand or flagged down and a separate tariff for journeys booked through the company’s operator.

The situation has led to safety concerns from independent hackney carriage proprietors, who feel they are bearing the brunt of customers confusion and are being accused of overcharging.

But, in a report to go before the committee on Thursday, the council’s officers state it would be “unlawful” to force taxi drivers to only discount at the end of the journey.

Instead, the committee are being asked to consider instructing officers to undertake a consultation exercise, with a view to attaching a condition to the Hackney Carriage Proprietors Licence requiring signage to be displayed in the vehicle clearly indicating the fares charged.

The report to councillors states: “It could be reasonably necessary to condition the Hackney carriages so that fares are clearly displayed and impose a condition requiring the vehicle to display or explain any differences between the different tariffs in use.”

The council has stressed it has no issue with discounted fares, viewing them as “beneficial” to customers and fair competition.

Source: Blackpool Gazette


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:30 am 
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But, in a report to go before the committee on Thursday, the council’s officers state it would be “unlawful” to force taxi drivers to only discount at the end of the journey.


What a load of pish


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But, in a report to go before the committee on Thursday, the council’s officers state it would be “unlawful” to force taxi drivers to only discount at the end of the journey.


What a load of pish



they're going by Liverpool vs Curzon.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:43 am 
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Thats what you get for w@nkers discounting,confusion and "it only cost me x amount on the way there" What they wanted was for the start rate/drop to be the same, then if you have to,discount at the end of journey.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:51 am 
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Thats what you get for w@nkers discounting,confusion and "it only cost me x amount on the way there" What they wanted was for the start rate/drop to be the same, then if you have to,discount at the end of journey.


I would say in a place like Blackpool being charged two different prices from the same vehicles - mixed with alcohol fuelled passengers - is a dangerous practice indeed.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:03 am 
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But, in a report to go before the committee on Thursday, the council’s officers state it would be “unlawful” to force taxi drivers to only discount at the end of the journey.


What a load of pish



they're going by Liverpool vs Curzon.

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Alegidly, but that was a slightly different senario where the cab owners did not want to change there meters to the new council rate as it would have involved buying new metres, and the old meters where showing a cheaper rate than that set buy the council, so no law was broken.
We brought this up a few years ago with our council as some of use at the time did not want a fare rise, but the council insisted the new tariff must be set by them or its off the road, an appeal to the traffic commissioner brought her down to the Borders and the above case was mentioned, and she said we where correct but as we all had different makes of meters, and the fact that they where all time and calender controlled, that it would be best to have the council rate on them and discount but only after going from A to B with the meter activated

As you know well CC with all fares within your area are on the meter if fitted ,and must be on from A to B to show the punter what the actual cost is, then if you wish apply a discount.
And only PH can set there own rates but if a meters is fitted they also must be set on the meter and sealed, and a company tariff sheet displayed

I personally think that because they have so many different rates that is the problem, all owners should be informed that there meters will be set by the council and sealed, and that they must be used withing the area, failing to use the meter in the correct manor will result in a suspension, or even a possible revocation of licence, this would soon buck there ideas up
Out of area jobs can be negotiated with the driver where the meter does not have to be used


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:05 pm 
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If you read the original post its not blackpool its fylde but the same goes on here.t
The meters on some firms start at different drops thats where you get the problems.Now if some dipsticks want to discount at the end let them.As cc says it causes all sorts of problems .


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:31 pm 
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Alegidly, but that was a slightly different senario where the cab owners did not want to change there meters to the new council rate as it would have involved buying new metres, and the old meters where showing a cheaper rate than that set buy the council, so no law was broken.
We brought this up a few years ago with our council as some of use at the time did not want a fare rise, but the council insisted the new tariff must be set by them or its off the road, an appeal to the traffic commissioner brought her down to the Borders and the above case was mentioned, and she said we where correct but as we all had different makes of meters, and the fact that they where all time and calender controlled, that it would be best to have the council rate on them and discount but only after going from A to B with the meter activated

As you know well CC with all fares within your area are on the meter if fitted ,and must be on from A to B to show the punter what the actual cost is, then if you wish apply a discount.
And only PH can set there own rates but if a meters is fitted they also must be set on the meter and sealed, and a company tariff sheet displayed

I personally think that because they have so many different rates that is the problem, all owners should be informed that there meters will be set by the council and sealed, and that they must be used withing the area, failing to use the meter in the correct manor will result in a suspension, or even a possible revocation of licence, this would soon buck there ideas up
Out of area jobs can be negotiated with the driver where the meter does not have to be used


Should I maek in bold the bits you've made up?

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Whos made up sorry ?


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Whos made up sorry ?



Not you....skippy appears to be re-writing the law.

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CC how long have you known skippy !!!!! what else do you expect you should know he never does his homework

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Come on then clever clogs enlighten me :roll: :roll:
Re read it and stop at the comers and full stops that I put in for Toots benefit.
I think I was right on the Carson's point as thats the way I read the judgment
As for the meter being on from A to B inside your area in a hack I am also right.
As for the PH setting there own rates whats wrong with that

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the cab owners did not want to change there meters to the new council rate


only partially correct.....so half right.....the cab owners meters had the first tariff installed, but were unable to add the new second tariff.

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As you know well CC with all fares within your area are on the meter if fitted ,and must be on from A to B to show the punter what the actual cost is, then if you wish apply a discount.


thats the opposite of what the Judge said in Curzon.

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and a company tariff sheet displayed


You made that bit up, the 1976 act has no such requirement.

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captain cab wrote:
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the cab owners did not want to change there meters to the new council rate


only partially correct.....so half right.....the cab owners meters had the first tariff installed, but were unable to add the new second tariff.

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As you know well CC with all fares within your area are on the meter if fitted ,and must be on from A to B to show the punter what the actual cost is, then if you wish apply a discount.


thats the opposite of what the Judge said in Curzon.

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and a company tariff sheet displayed


You made that bit up, the 1976 act has no such requirement.

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If you read the post, the middle quote is not referring to Carson's its referring to every hack in the UK
Quote 3 is referring to PH fitted with meters I am sure I read in one of your posts that the tariff sheet must be displayed in the vehicle or given to the council for there approval any how I'm hack, so PH don't concern me.


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skippy41 wrote:
I personally think that because they have so many different rates that is the problem, all owners should be informed that there meters will be set by the council and sealed, and that they must be used withing the area, failing to use the meter in the correct manor will result in a suspension, or even a possible revocation of licence, this would soon buck there ideas up


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Always discount to get more fares


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