Liverpool enforcement officer

Mr PH · **Joined:** Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:20 pm **Posts:** 44

I had an odd incident yesterday at Liverpool airport, which is outside my licensing authority. I had just dropped off a friend at the designated point and was just about to pull away when a man walked over, flashed some I.D. and spoke through my open driver's window. Conversation went somewhat like this.

"Hi. Enforcment officer. Let me see your badge. certificate etc. Turn your front wheels to the right. I'm going to inspect your vehicle!"

"Don't think so mate. I'm not licensed by your LA."

"If you are doing business in Liverpool you are under our juristriction."

"Err no I'm not. Now move out of my way please."

"I will report you for non compliance"

To who? What you going to do? revoke my badge? As you don't issue it, that's going to be difficult!!

Then I drove off. What was this numpty on about?

edders23 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:01 pm

They are entitled to inspect any taxis or PH picking up or dropping off in their area I know last year our LO told me that two local vehicles were inspected and reported to him by enforcment officers at gatwick

Probably a bad move on your part as undoubtably you will have been reported to your council and may be penalised

Mr PH · **Joined:** Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:20 pm **Posts:** 44

They may be entitled but does a driver have to comply with any other LA. Rules may be different etc. I have had good read through my conditions of licence and other area officials are not mentioned. Of course if it was a Police officer I would have been legally required to comply.

jamie t · **Joined:** Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:11 pm **Posts:** 28

no tips · **Posted:** Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:39 pm

I have been pulled over and asket by VOSA to go to there test station for a inspection.

jamie t · **Joined:** Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:11 pm **Posts:** 28

yellowcars · **Posted:** Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:28 pm

They can inspect your vehicle as you are in their area, even thu they most likely cant do much they can still make your life hard.

wee eddie · **Posted:** Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:03 pm

I am thinking that, in order to prove that they have any Authority over you, they would have to be able to show that you were trading in their area.

I think that, if you were passing through, but had a fare Paying Customer, they would have some Authority over you, but I have no idea of the limitations of that Authority.

jamie t · **Joined:** Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:11 pm **Posts:** 28

captain cab · **Posted:** Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:24 pm

They can't touch the vehicle....what on earth do people think the carryings on about the berwick out of town plates was about?

CC

Dusty Bin · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:20 pm **Posts:** 3272

Isn't there some sort of agreement in Merseyside such that LOs have powers over drivers and vehicles from other areas?

Of course, actually telling the drivers about such an agreement may be a different matter.

Nidge2 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:46 am

Mr PH wrote:

I had an odd incident yesterday at Liverpool airport, which is outside my licensing authority. I had just dropped off a friend at the designated point and was just about to pull away when a man walked over, flashed some I.D. and spoke through my open driver's window. Conversation went somewhat like this.

"Hi. Enforcment officer. Let me see your badge. certificate etc. Turn your front wheels to the right. I'm going to inspect your vehicle!"

"Don't think so mate. I'm not licensed by your LA."

"If you are doing business in Liverpool you are under our juristriction."

"Err no I'm not. Now move out of my way please."

"I will report you for non compliance"

To who? What you going to do? revoke my badge? As you don't issue it, that's going to be difficult!!

Then I drove off. What was this numpty on about?

Mansfield Council have taken plates of other Taxis not licensed in their area who have failed the spot check.

Dusty Bin · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:20 pm **Posts:** 3272

Indeed, we had a discussion about this kind of thing in another thread started by jamie t, and in that Captain Cab said:

Quote:

It does depend where you're from, some councils have delegated power to licensing officers from other areas.....its common across Merseyside and Bedfordshire.

Dusty Bin · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:20 pm **Posts:** 3272

jamie t wrote:

Im only going from civic government(scotland)act as i dont know english law.

Well you didn't say that you were from Scotland the last time we discussed this, indeed in a thread started by yourself.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18144

The licensing legislation and things like police powers can be very different north and south of the border, thus it's always best to say where you're actually working. Indeed, that's why the forum has a Scottish section.

Not that this kind of thing is unusual on the forum. Not naming names like, just saying

Dusty Bin · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:20 pm **Posts:** 3272

Evidence submitted by Liverpool City Council to the Transport Committee's investigation last year said:

"Enforcement officers, via a Merseyside local authority agreement, also regulate the activity, when
appropriate; of private hire vehicles licensed by other district councils when parked in the City of Liverpool
awaiting pre-booked hiring’s from a licensed operator. This activity includes vehicle inspection and licence
checks to ensure that no licensing contraventions are being committed."

The minutes of the Law Commission's advisory group meeting from last year also refers to a "concordat between local authorities on Merseyside" in the section on enforcement and cross-border issues. (para 1.57)

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17968

No doubt a 'concordat' is better than a humble agreement :roll:

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