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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:27 am 
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Again your use of the word "grass" within the context of your satement suggests that you believe Nidge let out information you personally didn't want disclosed.

See that's where you are wrong again. Nigel thought he had some confidential info on someone, and decided he should give it out to all.

The fact that he was 100% wrong is not the issue, as he would have found out today if he went where he said he was going. It's the fact that he thought he would look good spouting off peoples details on here, but inturn has made himself look a bigger pillock than normal.

What I can't understand is why you were taken in by it all?

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lol GA i wish i was intelligent.

If i was i would have done one of two things...

when my dad told me at 14 to stick in at maths and become an accountant, i should have followed the advice.

second bit i missed was when i was a boy soldier at 16/17, i should have stayed with the KORBR rather than go and home to the family business. (in 1986 northern Ireland didnt seem like the best place to go, although I will make the trip in a couple of months for golfing (scientific) purposes.

as for the site, M&R was published for a reason, it certainly wasnt published for the benefit of just us on the site, and its deserves scrutiny, just as those documents published by other trade bodies need scrutiny.

If you read the document closely, its the opposite of what others have been saying, but then, it depends where your coming from in all this mess. (and i use the term mess in the sense that we seem to be picking up the pieces of taxi policy that have been undiscussed for many years)

Unfortunately, I know first hand what a balls'ed up state deregulation leaves the hire and reward market in, as do you.

I dont like the fact that people may have been approaching LA's on behalf of the site, as the site is a members site, and I think that it a bit like the following.

Dear Sir,

I write to advise I am


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Dear Sir,

I write on behalf

there is a difference. On behalf.

Unfortunately, its the burden of proof.

It seems to me that the site is good, there is sweet FA wrong with the site, and given the nature of the site there is always going to be differences of opinion.

My thoughts are well known, its justification, and thats probably a little bit of a cowardly point of view, but i have been fairly consistent, and i know thats a little bit of a curious statement to make. Because Ive critisised those who are in favour, and those who are against the issues.

If I can switch back (to another debate) to TDO's points regarding remuneration towards those that may have spent thousands on plates. I dont see the money being the issue, (to myself), although thats part of it.

For M&R to work the money issue would need to be sorted prior, by approaching LA's and moving the balance, the remuneration is threatened, as I personally thing that government or LA's would back out after total deregulation. ; a chicken and egg scenario

My whole point has been justification working both ways.

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for what its worth, and this is not being funny in anyway, shape or form. The profession is actually better with the likes of yourself, MrT, and others advising caution. (as for nidge, I close my eyes, wince and smile)

At the same time, in any democracy the voices of sussex, TDO and others need to be there so that the democracy works.

The site in general agree's on far more than what it disagrees on.

I honestly believe the middle ground is justification and as any military historian will tell you: the middle ground tends to be shot at from both sides!

Unfortunately, as the poster I borrowed from a famous US company goes,
If 9 times out of 10, we arrive within 10 minutes, what do you say to the 10th Customer?

I think when all the pro's and cons are worked out, justification will be the best route for all concerned.

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You may think the silence is deafening Dusty, but neither my PM or my email inbox contains information as to where evidence should be forwarded.



You made the allegations in public, so you can provide the evidence in public.

The only point in trying to keep it private is so that you can be as akward as possible.

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So despite claiming to have 'massive amounts of evidence' to support these allegations, the failure to provide this or even say when it will forthcoming strongly suggests that you've concluded that your evidence in fact amounts to absolutely nothing.

THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!


You may think the silence is deafening Dusty, but neither my PM or my email inbox contains information as to where evidence should be forwarded.

I would also like to take this opportunity to state that some evidence has been provided, the banning of Nidge and MRT, the unfounded allegations that "someone" is writing something that another posts, are all contributing factors that this site and very possibly you in particular have something to hide.

I will clarify for anyone interested that I have agreed to send the information I'm fully aware of, to the administrators of this site, they have to date failed to supply it.

I would also say that allegations have been made on here, along with evidence relative to the membership of this site, I do not wish to dictate which side of the argument they should believe, if either, as I would much rather they made up their own minds.

So I reiterate, an allegation was made that a person had contacted local authorities using the name Taxi Driver Online, this person had claimed that information and opinion had been gathered from the membership of the site, all working taxidrivers, and the administrators had written a "paper" based on that information under the heading "Myth and Reality". Alongside this "paper" a list had been produced showing plate values in all restricted councils throughout the UK.
Along with this list and the Myth and Reality document, councils were also sent "mis-quoted" passages from both the OFT investigation and the DfT review.

Initially I had concerns that M&R would be used to express the views of the membership of this site, but at that time membership to the site was "open", and I knew from previous experience that councils questioned the credibility of such sites as they had no form of record on which to base their credentials. Then all of a sudden, about 9 months after the release of the M&R document the site decided to insist that in order to contribute registration was required and further "papers" were circulated.

At that time people who had shared my concerns started to notice other things, some from within their own area other from what they had been told. Some of these people decided to collate the varied information with the same name being mentioned time and time again.
This name was then published on this site, the post was deleted and the poster banned, subsequent posts mentioning the same name are still being automatically altered, with the question as to why remaining unanswered.

This evidence alone should be sufficiant at least to question the real intentions of the administration of this site, again I'm asking NO-ONE to believe me, all I ask is that you ask the questions.

The administrators of this site have admitted to contating councils, offering the M&R document and subsequently published lists, they claim however that they have NOT claimed to have published "on our behalf" but at best they imply that it was all compiled by us, even if the final document was written by them.

Who exactly are these people, does it matter that they are possibly using your details to promote what they believe is the way forward without your permission or knowledge, even if you disagree.

A number of prominant posters have reduced their contribution since this issue was raised, to the point that they still visit and read but do not actually post at all.

The admin want the evidence, they claim that it hasn't been offered but as I've said the evidence is contained within the pages of this website, if anyone cares to look.

B. Lucky :twisted:


It seems to me that all your accusing us of is claiming that we represent you in some way.

Believe you me, I would not like anyone to think I'm representing you in any way, shape or form.

But if you think people may think TDO represents you, why do you persist in posting on here?

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
[long with this list and the Myth and Reality document, councils were also sent "mis-quoted" passages from both the OFT investigation and the DfT review.



Which mis-quoted passages?

Given that you've only ever shown the most superficial knowledge of the contents of the OFT report and the DfT's response, how would you know if they've been misquoted anyway?

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
[A number of prominant posters have reduced their contribution since this issue was raised, to the point that they still visit and read but do not actually post at all.



That's hardly surprising given that you're contacting people and spreading mis-information.

I've wasted a lot of time on this nonsense, and it will all be deleted next week, so I would hurry up with your 'massive amounts of evidence'.

You make us doing what the site was set up for as some sort of sinister plot to bring down the world, but the reality is that it's just part of a plot to discredit this site, unless, of course, you can produce evidence to the contrary. :lol:

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
[At that time people who had shared my concerns started to notice other things, some from within their own area other from what they had been told. Some of these people decided to collate the varied information with the same name being mentioned time and time again.
This name was then published on this site, the post was deleted and the poster banned, subsequent posts mentioning the same name are still being automatically altered, with the question as to why remaining unanswered.



If you mean the name Spencer, Nigel was spouting it the other night, and I don't think it's been altered.

You should have a read of the posts before making accusations.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
[A number of prominant posters have reduced their contribution since this issue was raised, to the point that they still visit and read but do not actually post at all.



That's hardly surprising given that you're contacting people and spreading mis-information.

I've wasted a lot of time on this nonsense, and it will all be deleted next week, so I would hurry up with your 'massive amounts of evidence'.

You make us doing what the site was set up for as some sort of sinister plot to bring down the world, but the reality is that it's just part of a plot to discredit this site, unless, of course, you can produce evidence to the

contrary. :lol:



T.D.O. ANSWER PLEASE YES or NO was this site set up to gather information, to send out to councils and govt depts........mr T..


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:59 am 
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That's hardly surprising given that you're contacting people and spreading mis-information.


Not true, I was contacted about the issue.

As far as spreading mis-information, the only information I have passed on concerning this site was confirmed by yourself, that being that this site had sent information to councils under the TDO banner, consisting of the M&R document and lists previously submitted within the site.

What I have QUESTIONED is the motives behind these actions, what I have QUESTIONED is the issue of credentials.

You see, your reaction is because of whom asked the questions rather than the content of them, your reactions have raised more issues and therefore further questions.

My belief is that anyone who either claims or implies that they represent or speak on behalf of any individual or group should have their credentials included within any argument they make, should they choose to take that argument to a third party for further consideration.

What I mean by that is that TDO the site is right to allow people to post anonymously within its site if it so wishes, however I would want to know who is sending out information I have contributed should they wish to publish outside of the site.

That is why I believe the questions need to be asked, if your not willing to answer them then thats fine but you must then expect people to start coming to their own conclusions, particularly when there is evidence to support such conclusions, even if that evidence is circumstancial.

You seem to think that I'm heading this "investigation", I repeat this is not the case, this thread has developed into an argument to which people OTHER THAN me have resorted to personal insults to which I have responded in a similar manner. The only reason this has been done, as far as I'm concerned, is to deflect from the original questions raised.

I will supply the information as I have it, which is in "hard copy" good old fashioned paper so that you can see where the information has been obtained, as per letterhead. I will not type a post containing extracts nor will I type a post containing all of the information as because I cannot prove to everyone that what I have written comes from the people who have written it within such posts. If I were to do this, I believe you would make an attempt to discredit the information by questioning its validity.

You can try all you like to provoke a response TDO but I will not fall into the trap you are trying to set, the information I have is available to you, but you must allow me to provide it to you in the same manner I've recieved it.

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T.D.O. ANSWER PLEASE YES or NO was this site set up to gather information, to send out to councils and govt depts........mr T..


It was set up as on online journal Mr T, and journals gather information and send it out again - have a look at Taxi Talk, PHM etc.

GA is making this sound like some sort crime, but that just demonstrates his lack of judgement, assuming he is acting in good faith, which I doubt.

The discussion forum was set up to allow people to discuss the issues, this seems quite straigthforward to me.

Mr Angel's claims about solicitors and the like are total nonsense.

You may not have come across the Taxi Forums UK, in which Angel and Nidge were 'representatives' of the site. I posted on that site, but never thougth that the site represented me. However, the site soon come tumbling down, as did their subsequent effort.

TDO has never claimed to represent you or other contributors to the forum, if you think third parties might think that then I don't see why you continue posting.

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That's hardly surprising given that you're contacting people and spreading mis-information.


Not true, I was contacted about the issue.

As far as spreading mis-information, the only information I have passed on concerning this site was confirmed by yourself, that being that this site had sent information to councils under the TDO banner, consisting of the M&R document and lists previously submitted within the site.

What I have QUESTIONED is the motives behind these actions, what I have QUESTIONED is the issue of credentials.

You see, your reaction is because of whom asked the questions rather than the content of them, your reactions have raised more issues and therefore further questions.

My belief is that anyone who either claims or implies that they represent or speak on behalf of any individual or group should have their credentials included within any argument they make, should they choose to take that argument to a third party for further consideration.

What I mean by that is that TDO the site is right to allow people to post anonymously within its site if it so wishes, however I would want to know who is sending out information I have contributed should they wish to publish outside of the site.

That is why I believe the questions need to be asked, if your not willing to answer them then thats fine but you must then expect people to start coming to their own conclusions, particularly when there is evidence to support such conclusions, even if that evidence is circumstancial.

You seem to think that I'm heading this "investigation", I repeat this is not the case, this thread has developed into an argument to which people OTHER THAN me have resorted to personal insults to which I have responded in a similar manner. The only reason this has been done, as far as I'm concerned, is to deflect from the original questions raised.

I will supply the information as I have it, which is in "hard copy" good old fashioned paper so that you can see where the information has been obtained, as per letterhead. I will not type a post containing extracts nor will I type a post containing all of the information as because I cannot prove to everyone that what I have written comes from the people who have written it within such posts. If I were to do this, I believe you would make an attempt to discredit the information by questioning its validity.

You can try all you like to provoke a response TDO but I will not fall into the trap you are trying to set, the information I have is available to you, but you must allow me to provide it to you in the same manner I've recieved it.

B. Lucky :twisted:


See my post to Mr T.

As for the evidence, as I said you made the accusations in public, so you can provide the evidence in public.

You won't post your evidence because you either have none or it would expose your claims as nonsense, that's why you won't post it.

Simple :lol:

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Again your use of the word "grass" within the context of your satement suggests that you believe Nidge let out information you personally didn't want disclosed.

See that's where you are wrong again. Nigel thought he had some confidential info on someone, and decided he should give it out to all.

The fact that he was 100% wrong is not the issue, as he would have found out today if he went where he said he was going. It's the fact that he thought he would look good spouting off peoples details on here, but inturn has made himself look a bigger pillock than normal.

What I can't understand is why you were taken in by it all?



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What I have QUESTIONED is the motives behind these actions, what I have QUESTIONED is the issue of credentials.

No you have made false accusations, and you haven't the guts to admit they are complete and utter lies.

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That is why I believe the questions need to be asked, if your not willing to answer them then thats fine but you must then expect people to start coming to their own conclusions, particularly when there is evidence to support such conclusions, even if that evidence is circumstancial.

Well for goodness sake start asking the questions, then your false accusation will be shown to be complete lies, and treated with the contempt they deserve.

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