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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:42 pm 
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Prefered the Keith Allen interview to question time myself,clever as he likes to think he is [edited by admin] griffin is the same as ever.Its nice when we see him squirm.Love the way he Allways comes out with"we let anybody in whatever colour" probally cause you cant discriminate in law.Got no time for this whacco myself



Keith Allen comedian? Vindaloo?

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Never mind I got it

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/ ... rview.html

Interesting comment

"When one commissioning editor completely misunderstood a sequence about Muslim women in which Griffin was unexpectedly defending them as victims of male violence, she gave such a knee-jerk reaction that I assumed she must have trained with Galvani.


And anyone who thinks that isn't the truth should stop commenting now or I will have to get you to meet with some Asian ladies I know who have been the victim of this, seems old Nick ain't so bad after all, and a real racist would never defend any part of his enemy.

And the 1st comment from a reader I think sums it up, although Allen has been funny in places over the years, he still thinks he knows more than his closeted little world really allows him to know, here's the comment....

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How embarrassing. Why would Channel 4 spend good money on a once in a blue moon opportunity to interview Nick Griffin by sending a rude, ignorant, foul mouthed, chirlish baffoon such as keith "look everyone, I can play a banjo (big deal)" allen. The hypocracy from allen, that being the slagging off of Nick, using such lowlyeducated words such as T~~t and F~~~ just because of Nick's beliefs,. and behind his back may I add, in such a "serious" political interview.
The show/documentary would have been better if conducted by Ronnie Corbet, Brucie or even Rod Hull and Emu (GOD BLESS ROD).



I think that about sums up the way it is, lots of knee jerking and a blatant refusal to look at the facts, every one of the 3 UK parties other than the mainstream gets blasted one way or another, UKIP gets run out of town as being idiots because they have no boot boy image for the media to use against them, lot of confused cat napping individuals in this country who will be the first to scream why didn't anybody do something as they are forced to adopt another religion.

Let me run this past my doubters....

You are scared of another Hitler figure?

Do you watch the news about Afghanistan?

Did you see what happened to Ken Bigley?

Well these three elements are brewing in the background right now, because when you no longer have a say in your own country you will realise while you protected the innocent you also gave license to the vile, if you are female expect to change your dress sense, accept your husband will be chosen for you, expect that husband to treat you like a slave dog, expect all the little mafia events like hand over your money to the community etc etc, when you refuse to aknowledge that everyone who stands up with something to say then you only have yourself to blame when this free life you live vanishes, and for those still doubting, it's coming, Sharia Law has already been asked for in one area and in Oxford they wanted you to awake to that drone they love so much, so have a proper look, no need to be nasty to anyone, but be aware behind the smile lies a completely different person, and thats 30 years experience talking not some idiot who just woke up and decided to pick on something.

Trust me, half if not more than half of the Muslims are petrified of this happening, they like it here because they are more free and have opportunity, and you should especially support the females because they have the most to lose.


Just found this also

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/reviews/89218 ... bjectivity


normal folks replies are also very interesting, especially user number 2


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:04 pm 
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BBC impartiality? My Arse


After listening to 5 live on Saturday night, and their constant description of Addison Lee as a 'taxi' firm......and their allowing of John Griffin (AL Owner) to put a really weird spin on his cyclist rant.......apparently he was helping them........I got to say Gus is 100% right, these f*ckers are useless.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:31 pm 
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Problem is that most folks see difference. This allows them to cut those people out from the herd and shunt them into a minority to be denied and bullied.

Take the LBGTs for example. They relish their labels. And I've no doubt they needed them in their campaign to be treated equally. But the fact is they will never gain equality until these labels disappear. Until we can look someone in the eye and not see the label, just the person.

What difference is it to us whether someone is gay, or black, or a Jew or whatever? Whatever they are doesn't affect us, unless we allow it to. Unless we want it to. Unless through some inner fear about ourselves.

Fundamentally, most people are inadequate in some way. Whatever they feel they haven't achieved, what they could have achieved is their inadequacy. And the easiest way for them to reassert their status is to reduce someone else's.

Taxi ownership is a case in point. taxi owners aren't the commercial gurus they think they are, and I suspect they know this. But their status is assured just so long as they can maintain their clique. Just as long as they can deny others to keep them at a level below them.

The upcoming elections are another case in point. Politicians work in the same way. they're not interested in what you think, all they're driven by is getting your vote to raise their status above you.

Griffin proves that we can't even debate these issues without feeling uncomfortable about ourselves. No doubt the establishment, through its propaganda tool BBC, understands this. How uncomfortable would it be for them to realise that some folks do want what Griffin wants, and I've no doubt there are many that do. And that while everyone's status in in peril, then scapegoating others might be attractive to the masses. It's always been so in the past. It's happening now.

I'd like to hear Griffin. If only just to laugh at him ... or at least know what is coming our way.

But it's no wonder the Home Office is sufficiently worried to be actively working to close out our civil rights. And they must be good at their job, because they are managing to scare all government parties into letting them do it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:50 pm 
C'mon Jas, this is about the BBC looking the other way when it suits them, not about HC plates or bus lanes

I'll try and give you some idea on the two points though

A HC plate holder laid out cash to become one, others like yourself think this unfair, but what if you bought a new iPhone and two minutes later I took it from you and then the provider cut your minutes and doubled your tarriff?

Bus lanes are bus lanes, the bikes and HC's were allowed into them by concession, as it's already been mentioned if it gives anymore concessions to PH then the next one is the HGV and then those needing to get home quick because they have a Richard the 3rd on finals, and in the end the bus lane becomes just another lane doesn't it, you have to have rules in life so that a free for all and anarchy doesn't prevail, in this case due to a limited amount of space for a HC to rank on is available means you can't have too many HC's, and a PH fleet is too large to consider for a bus lane.


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If you bought an iPhone that wasn't the seller's property, they'd cut it off and have it blocked :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:12 am 
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If you bought an iPhone that wasn't the seller's property, they'd cut it off and have it blocked :wink:



I didn't mean it like that Gus, it was to highlight a big expense that someone then renders worthless to you, worthless in respect that saturation makes it untenable to make use of. 8)


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In effect, it's the same thing.

The plate belongs to the council, not the vendor.
That same council can render it worthless with the stroke of a pen.
They are not obliged to limit numbers, nor to continue to do so.

Limiting numbers gives a council carte blanche to do as it pleases with the trade.
Because it makes everyone afraid to challenge the council, in case they lift the limit as a reprisal.

Buying someone elses plate is therefore a gamble, just like buying a hookey iphone.
It's not really yours and at any moment it can be made useless.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:14 am 
True, but there is also the thought process of do we actually need anymore, can we fit them all on rank space that is available and if we do will this mean the less cash earned becomes a shed fleet of un maintained vehicles though.


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BskyB impartiality my arse !!!

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Is there a story here? Or just some more BBC Scotland innuendo?

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When does spin become outright lying?
Posted on May 05, 2012 by Rev. Stuart Campbell

If you’re pushed for time, we’ll give you the answer up front: when it’s in the Scottish media. But a closer analysis of yesterday’s and this morning’s press and broadcasting provides a full and and illuminating picture of the reality. The fact is, the nationalists aren’t paranoid – their own country’s media really is out to get them.

Those of us watching events unfold yesterday afternoon were a little bemused when various sources started tweeting summarised results, which showed Labour as the biggest winners. To anyone comparing the results to those of the last election, those gain/loss figures were perplexing. Set against 2007, the SNP had gained 61 seats, not 57, and Labour just 46 rather than 58. (In both cases almost entirely at the expense of the Lib Dems, who lost nearly 100 seats. Hardly any seats anywhere in the country changed hands directly from Labour to SNP or vice versa.)

We couldn’t at the time, and we still can’t now, find any published record of where the numbers for the second interpretation derive from.

The rational assumption, of course, would be that they arose from a comparison of the results on May 4th to the situation on May 2nd, ie taking account of all the council by-elections, defections etc that had gone on since 2007. But if that’s true, where was everyone getting those numbers from? We’ve scoured the internet for a statement of standings on May 2nd without success. Let’s assume, however, that they’re correct.

What that would mean is that in, say, Glasgow, the media’s headline figures were counting all the seats previously occupied by Labour councillors who’d left the party over their deselection for the 2012 election just weeks before the polling date as Labour “gains”, which would be patently ridiculous. (Labour won the seats at the last election, they weren’t lost in any subsequent by-elections, and the seats were in “official” Labour hands for 95% or more of the intervening period.)

And yet it’s exactly what happened.
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Labour started 2012 with 48 Glasgow councillors. Although a total of nine had resigned by the eve of the election, most on the grounds of not being selected to stand again, many of those stated that they’d continue to vote with the party despite their notional “independent” status. So claiming that Labour’s post-election total of 44 represented an increase of five is a bit of a stretch.

Nevertheless, in the basest technical sense it’s (we’re assuming) true, so it’s slightly misleading spin at the worst. But the spin has turned into outright lies in a number of this morning’s papers. In the Scotsman, Eddie Barnes runs a rather odd piece headlined with the 57/58 figures, but which further down gets both numbers wrong while at the same time making a more disturbingly inaccurate statement:

“With all the counts declared, the SNP had won 424 seats, up 55 on 2007, with Labour on 394, up 57 on the last time.”

Our emphasis, there. Subtly, the spin has morphed into a flat-out untruth, with Labour explicitly stated to have won more seats than the SNP compared to the 2007 election, which is false no matter how you interpret it. (It’s also not actually quite true that “all” the counts have declared – Dunoon’s vote was delayed due to the death of a candidate and is likely to return another SNP seat next week, but we’re being picky now.)

Barnes, though, isn’t the only one to be getting his sums in a mess. Over in the Herald, Iain Macwhirter (who recently appears to have completely fried his brain with vein-popping rage over Rupert Murdoch) can be found asserting that the SNP “was crushed 44 seats to 27″ in Glasgow, which is a slightly odd way of interpreting a net gain of five seats in the city compared to 2007, or seven seats compared to May 2nd. But rather more worryingly, he also claims that:

“Labour also did well in places like Aberdeen and Fife, where they gained seats. Over in the capital, Labour leap-frogged the SNP to become the largest party.”

We’re not sure what the rules of leap-frog were when Iain Macwhirter was a boy, or if perhaps Scotland had a different capital back then, but Labour already had more council seats in Edinburgh than the SNP before the election, no matter which date you count from. It started on Thursday morning with 15 seats to the SNP’s 13, and both parties won five to leave their positions relative to each other completely unchanged.

(If you take the 2007 election as the benchmark instead the SNP did even better, gaining six seats to Labour’s five.)

These untruths may be minor in isolation, but each one forms part of a much bigger media spin (with STV, as is increasingly often the case, the only honourable exception), one that’s aimed at presenting Thursday’s results as some sort of great Labour fightback and a turning of the tide against the SNP. Extraordinarily, the Scottish Daily Mail went so far as to describe the SNP’s gain of 61 seats as a “battering“.

Yet what actually happened was that a sitting government, presiding over significant forced spending cuts, having recently passed some highly controversial legislation particularly unpopular in Glasgow, and in the middle of a fabricated media storm of smearing, has doubled its lead over its main opposition compared to the last election (and gained ground on Labour in Glasgow no matter how you measure it). And even if you set the national metric to two days ago rather than 2007, when the last result is in Labour will almost certainly have gained precisely 0 seats on the nationalists.

(And perhaps more significantly, most commentators are now concluding that the SNP actually overtook Labour in the popular vote, which Labour won in 2007.)

“Labour stops the rot” would therefore be the most generous possible interpretation any neutral observer could put on this week’s election results. Not for the first time, we bemoan the apparent shortage of such voices in Scotland’s media.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:34 am 
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More media bias :shock:


Euan McColm: Salmond’s ‘unstoppable’ juggernaut seems to have hit its f irst road block




FOR people who have just won an election, my chums in the SNP might be a little happier. Of course, they’ve all been enthusiastically explaining to me that they got more councillors and a bigger share of the vote than Labour on Thursday.


And they’ve been quick to give me details of astonishing swings against the rotten Unionist foe the length and breadth of the country.

But move away from these well rehearsed lines and the tone is subdued. There is real surprise that the margin of victory – just over 1 per cent – was not greater, and confusion over why the party was seen off by Labour in a number of councils, not least the “glittering prize” local authority of Glasgow.

Not an hour before I started writing this column, one of the First Minister’s closest allies made me a compelling argument for this being another triumph for Alex Salmond. The figures back this up: most votes, most councillors. End of story surely?

Ten minutes later, an SNP strategist raised some doubts: “We were on such a high before that this result does two bad things as far as I can see. First, we’ve lost that sense among the wider public and the opposition that we’re unstoppable, and second, we’ve shaken the grassroots supporters who thought the pro-independence train was getting faster.”

I have sympathy with the First Minister’s supporter. For a government to be in power for five years nationally and win a majority in local elections is a remarkable thing. But then I look at the Nationalists’ share of the vote this week, down to 33 per cent from an obscenely healthy 45 last May. That’s entirely the wrong direction of travel for Salmond, just two years away from his referendum. Were you to describe the loss of a quarter of your vote as a plummet, I’d heartily agree.

These council election results tell us that the First Minister – by popular acclaim, to a tedious degree, the sole “statesman” in Scotland – is not the unstoppable force he appeared just days ago.

One insider said: “The problem for Alex today is that we’ve basically been working on the assumption that we got that massive win last year so things are on the up and instead we’re on an even playing field with Labour again. It’s the first time he has not taken us a leap forward.”

As is the norm for the disappointed in Scottish politics, the SNP publicly insists that the almost evenly balanced result is down to the sophistication of voters, who flit twixt parties dependent on the election in question. Behind the scenes, some are asking if that’s true, what does it mean for the independence referendum?

When the First Minister returns to Holyrood, expect a typically bullish performance as he taunts his opponents over their respective results. But watch out for weaknesses, too. Salmond is a long way from clear of questions over his relationships with tycoons Murdoch and Trump.

Some of the First Minister’s people are already asking whether a last-minute flurry of blows over links to News International was enough to stop another landslide to match last year’s.

A lack of empirical evidence aside, it’s a reasonable assumption to make that those who turned away from the Nationalists this week were unionists, previously happy to back Salmond’s candidacy for First Minister. I can see no reason to assume Nationalists switched.

The SNP has consistently adopted a softly-softly approach with those it got on board with the argument that a vote for them was not necessarily a vote for the break-up of the union. Those middle-Scotlanders were supposed to step inside the tent, think: “Ooh, look at all that free medicine and ministerial competence”, then see the error of their ways and join the independent panacea, like a remake of Avatar with a shorter, fatter cast.

What has happened to make these voters so skittish? How the hell does Salmond go about getting them back while the opposition paint him as the rich man’s political popsy of choice? And how does he persuade those voters that no, they’re not simply part of what the decent but politically naive leader of the SNP group on Glasgow City Council, Allison Hunter, described as a stepping stone to independence?

Salmond will have to figure out why, if these people don’t particularly want the SNP to run their council, they would dream of allowing them to run an independent nation.

An opposition, cowed by fear and confusion for five long years, should feel confident again. All is not lost, after all. Yes, Salmond’s still ahead, but maybe he’s getting a stitch.

Sections of the Scottish media – who have over-compensated for past indiscretions in some cases – should feel more confident about challenging him on detail, regardless of the ongoing “statesman” narrative.

The First Minister isn’t known for a lack of certainty, but he has not always been the exuberant figure who leads Team Scotland (or Team Bits of Scotland, as Thursday’s vote might more accurately have it).

Years after his 2000 resignation as SNP leader, Salmond revealed that he had begun to wonder whether he had become the party’s problem. He feared that focus on him was damaging to the organisation.

It was a remarkably unguarded moment for such a typical alpha male as our First Minister, but he said it, and in doing so, revealed a usually invisible chink of self doubt.

One who knows him well told me: “He’s not in despair, but, aye, he will be worried in case it’s all stalling. Of course he will – who wouldn’t be?”

It’s been fascinating watching the superhuman Salmond since 2007. But that’s all over. The local election results have made The First Minister politically mortal again.

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