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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:52 pm 
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Isn't this lot in the wrong thread shouldn't it be in wannabe's what is going on thread ?

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:25 pm 
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Isn't this lot in the wrong thread shouldn't it be in wannabe's what is going on thread ?



Nothing wrong with a bit of thread deviation edders, punter just changed his mind on which pub to go to mid journey :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:14 pm 
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What point are you making Taxeman? The fact that something has happened before isn't really a defence or justification for what has occured in Heywood. Two wrongs don't make a right.


I'm in way trying to Justify anything other than, bad people do bad things, no matter their race or religion.

As for the deviation, as a part time Historical teacher/researcher I can't sit by and let the interweb be filled with yet more vitriolic nonsense. Politician do enough of that already.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:03 pm 
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What point are you making Taxeman? The fact that something has happened before isn't really a defence or justification for what has occured in Heywood. Two wrongs don't make a right.


As for the deviation, as a part time Historical teacher/researcher I can't sit by and let the interweb be filled with yet more vitriolic nonsense. Politician do enough of that already.


It's not vitriolic at all my friend, it's 50 years of observation, where ppl fail is they only see the final score, no one is looking to watch the match beforehand, saw it a lot years ago when the doormen ejected the retaliator rather than the instigator in a bar brawl,

Anyway we all have our opinion, mine is based on what I see, and I see not a lot of good right now, I'll plant you off to another part of history, 1920's depression USA, see how the cash rich stole the skint farmers lands from him, not a lot different to what my eyes are watching going on now, recession is how the rich get richer, they love it, they have the purchase power and buy it all in on the cheap, and when their house is full and ready to open to the market again the miracle message of recession over appears,

I don't see that me and you would be good friends tbh, but I do see bits of you that are good and aware, maybe when you're more in old cheese mode you will understand my vitriolic better and maybe even find yourself agreeing, and for the record I don't post nasty rumour for the sake of it, I don't hold everyone accountable for what their fellow man does either, everyone gets a fair and clean start with me, but I will not be dictated to those I extended a hand of help to, and one thing that really tits me off is when this country is seen as the bad guy all the time, there is an element of bad about it, but overall it's done more for man than most countries have, even in the USA in this day and age they objected when Obama wanted to start an NHS system, what does that say for middle America.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:30 pm 
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It's not vitriolic at all my friend, it's 50 years of observation, where ppl fail is they only see the final score, no one is looking to watch the match beforehand, saw it a lot years ago when the doormen ejected the retaliator rather than the instigator in a bar brawl,

Anyway we all have our opinion, mine is based on what I see, and I see not a lot of good right now, I'll plant you off to another part of history, 1920's depression USA, see how the cash rich stole the skint farmers lands from him, not a lot different to what my eyes are watching going on now, recession is how the rich get richer, they love it, they have the purchase power and buy it all in on the cheap, and when their house is full and ready to open to the market again the miracle message of recession over appears,

I don't see that me and you would be good friends tbh, but I do see bits of you that are good and aware, maybe when you're more in old cheese mode you will understand my vitriolic better and maybe even find yourself agreeing, and for the record I don't post nasty rumour for the sake of it, I don't hold everyone accountable for what their fellow man does either, everyone gets a fair and clean start with me, but I will not be dictated to those I extended a hand of help to, and one thing that really tits me off is when this country is seen as the bad guy all the time, there is an element of bad about it, but overall it's done more for man than most countries have, even in the USA in this day and age they objected when Obama wanted to start an NHS system, what does that say for middle America.


Depressions are engineered for the purpose you have stated, indeed a certain Mr Morgan Stanley created panic to bring forth the Federal reserve Act.

As for Mr (I love war,) Obama, I'm afraid you have again been mislead. His health care plans are NOT about non profit health care, they are about putting another 9 Billion into the pockets of Big Pharma....but I guess the MSM never told you that.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:10 pm 
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It's not vitriolic at all my friend, it's 50 years of observation, where ppl fail is they only see the final score, no one is looking to watch the match beforehand, saw it a lot years ago when the doormen ejected the retaliator rather than the instigator in a bar brawl,

Anyway we all have our opinion, mine is based on what I see, and I see not a lot of good right now, I'll plant you off to another part of history, 1920's depression USA, see how the cash rich stole the skint farmers lands from him, not a lot different to what my eyes are watching going on now, recession is how the rich get richer, they love it, they have the purchase power and buy it all in on the cheap, and when their house is full and ready to open to the market again the miracle message of recession over appears,

I don't see that me and you would be good friends tbh, but I do see bits of you that are good and aware, maybe when you're more in old cheese mode you will understand my vitriolic better and maybe even find yourself agreeing, and for the record I don't post nasty rumour for the sake of it, I don't hold everyone accountable for what their fellow man does either, everyone gets a fair and clean start with me, but I will not be dictated to those I extended a hand of help to, and one thing that really tits me off is when this country is seen as the bad guy all the time, there is an element of bad about it, but overall it's done more for man than most countries have, even in the USA in this day and age they objected when Obama wanted to start an NHS system, what does that say for middle America.


Depressions are engineered for the purpose you have stated, indeed a certain Mr Morgan Stanley created panic to bring forth the Federal reserve Act.

As for Mr (I love war,) Obama, I'm afraid you have again been mislead. His health care plans are NOT about non profit health care, they are about putting another 9 Billion into the pockets of Big Pharma....but I guess the MSM never told you that.



TBH I didn't follow the USNHS thing too closely, I heard he suggested it and it was thrown out without support, my point is any human in the world who is human would make an NHS system number one priority if they could, and the US can, I hadn't seen anything about ulterior's going on in the background, anyway rest assured if this vitriolic person ever gets to rule the world all countries will have to have an NHS.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:08 pm 
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Just to get back to the topic. I was in a P/H office last night and a guy there assured me it was all bullshit made up by Nick Griffin.

And when has anyone ever taken a bit of notice of anything that comes out of a PH office.

I've worked with one for 22 years and never taken anything as being pukka.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:00 am 
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Point 2, Thatcher used the war for polical gain and the ever stupified public bought it hook line and sinker. Rather like the war on Muslims, the Goyim, as Huxley put it, need their daily 5 minutes of hate.

Point 3, just because you "won" the war doesn't stop you being a war criminal. Ask the ppl of Dresden.



I forgot to reply to these, so I'll do it now, lets re-visit the era's

Thatcher had no choice but to go get the islands back, the military Juntu invaded an island 300 miles away from their shores and claimed it for themselves against the wishes of those living there, ok she went the wrong way about it but negotiation wouldn't have been on Argentina's mind, tactics wise she could've done better, you are correct it did her ratings no harm, as for the Muslim's, well the extreme ones certainly are that aren't they, be-heading a civilian contractor's, killing aid worker's, preaching hatred in Hyde Park etc etc etc, so sorry but I'm not changing stance on that one I know too much Muslim supplied info about the culture to need to.

With Churchill you are obviously of the same ilk that wanted Bomber Harris tried as well, thing you forget is Hitler and Goering started this in the first place, ask the folks from Bristol,Coventry,Portsmouth,Liverpool and London, ask them if Churchill is a war criminal, the thing you forget is had they not bombed Dresden,Cologne,Berlin etc then Germany would probably have won the war and you my friend would never have been born, ever heard of Eddie Chapman? it's people like him who helped save a lot of people during those times, the one thing I find most sickening is when hindsight is available and people use it to tar the memory of those that did what they had to do at the time, like I say, think about yourself and if you think you'd be alive now if Germany had beaten everyone, I assure you you wouldn't be,

It's not about imperialism for me it's about patriotism, I'm not 100% British by blood myself, but I was born here and so were three generations of me before me, I see myself as British though 3 of my 5 lines are from the UK, but I don't harp on about the other countries I have lineage to, I'm British and proud to be so, those that aren't should imo think about moving somewhere where they would be happy, nobody forces anyone to stay here, but it still doesn't stop them bad mouthing us while sucking the money and the services out of us though does it.

And although it's in another thread, the Jewish blood thing, I mentioned it because the fact I have it should mean I would defend the Jews, sadly not, I see the trouble they cause in the world, I don't like the way they operate, and of all my blood lines that is the one I dislike most, so, am I a racist against myself now.


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:09 am 
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I dont know.....perhaps ask the people of Ireland when he unleashed the black and tans?

Or the British and Empire troops he unleashed on the Dardenelles during WW1

I like Churchill he was a great orator and as sad as I am i have a few of his wartime speeches on my mobile.......but he wasnt a genius.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:38 am 
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ask them if Churchill is a war criminal


I like Churchill he was a great orator and as sad as I am i have a few of his wartime speeches on my mobile.......but he wasnt a genius.

CC


That depends in which respect you mean, in times of war would you like someone who can make liver salts from ingredients or someone with balls who says no to the bad guy, he got stuck between a right pair of ***ts with Hitler and Stalin, both were as bad as each other, he helped remove one dominator and in his place popped up another, and as I'm sure you are aware by 1945 we had neither the men or money left to say no to him as well, so he helped himself to most of eastern europe instead.


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taxeman wrote:

Point 2, Thatcher used the war for polical gain and the ever stupified public bought it hook line and sinker. Rather like the war on Muslims, the Goyim, as Huxley put it, need their daily 5 minutes of hate.

Point 3, just because you "won" the war doesn't stop you being a war criminal. Ask the ppl of Dresden.



I forgot to reply to these, so I'll do it now, lets re-visit the era's

Thatcher had no choice but to go get the islands back, the military Juntu invaded an island 300 miles away from their shores and claimed it for themselves against the wishes of those living there, ok she went the wrong way about it but negotiation wouldn't have been on Argentina's mind, tactics wise she could've done better, you are correct it did her ratings no harm, as for the Muslim's, well the extreme ones certainly are that aren't they, be-heading a civilian contractor's, killing aid worker's, preaching hatred in Hyde Park etc etc etc, so sorry but I'm not changing stance on that one I know too much Muslim supplied info about the culture to need to.

With Churchill you are obviously of the same ilk that wanted Bomber Harris tried as well, thing you forget is Hitler and Goering started this in the first place, ask the folks from Bristol,Coventry,Portsmouth,Liverpool and London, ask them if Churchill is a war criminal, the thing you forget is had they not bombed Dresden,Cologne,Berlin etc then Germany would probably have won the war and you my friend would never have been born, ever heard of Eddie Chapman? it's people like him who helped save a lot of people during those times, the one thing I find most sickening is when hindsight is available and people use it to tar the memory of those that did what they had to do at the time, like I say, think about yourself and if you think you'd be alive now if Germany had beaten everyone, I assure you you wouldn't be,

It's not about imperialism for me it's about patriotism, I'm not 100% British by blood myself, but I was born here and so were three generations of me before me, I see myself as British though 3 of my 5 lines are from the UK, but I don't harp on about the other countries I have lineage to, I'm British and proud to be so, those that aren't should imo think about moving somewhere where they would be happy, nobody forces anyone to stay here, but it still doesn't stop them bad mouthing us while sucking the money and the services out of us though does it.

And although it's in another thread, the Jewish blood thing, I mentioned it because the fact I have it should mean I would defend the Jews, sadly not, I see the trouble they cause in the world, I don't like the way they operate, and of all my blood lines that is the one I dislike most, so, am I a racist against myself now.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:34 am 
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Nine of the eleven Rochdale men charged with Rape, Sexual abuse and trafficking for sex, were found guilty today. Sentence postponed until tomorrow (Weds).

The Assistant Chief Constable of Manchester has just congratulated his team and the prosecutors.

He has stated that this is not a racist incident, it is just a coincidence that all the guilty men were Asian and all the children were white.

I would like to thank the Assistant Chief for that, I am glad to be reassured.



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Nine men have been arrested in a second sexual grooming inquiry in Rochdale.

The men aged between 24 and 38 have been questioned on suspicion of sexual activity with a child, police said.

The arrests are as a result of an inquiry into the sexual exploitation of a teenage girl since 2005. The men have been bailed pending further inquiries.

It follows the conviction of nine men from Rochdale and Oldham who were jailed for running a child sexual exploitation ring.

The men had targeted vulnerable girls as young as 13.

During the trial, five girls gave evidence, but police believe there may have been up to 47 victims.

'Damaged individuals'

Chief Constable of Greater Manchester, Peter Fahy, said he hoped more victims of sexual abuse would come forward after the men were sentenced.

But he said the vulnerability of the witnesses made it difficult to bring the cases to court, describing the girls as "damaged individuals".


Police said the latest arrests were not related to the case that concluded with the nine men being jailed from four to 19 years.

They had been found guilty of offences including rape and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child.

On sentencing at Liverpool Crown Court, Judge Gerald Clifton said the convicted men treated the girls "as though they were worthless and beyond respect".

All five girls who were witnesses in the gang's conviction were known to social services at some stage in their lives.

Rochdale Council has been tackling the problem of grooming by running an education programme warning schoolchildren of the dangers of child sexual exploitation.

So far, 10,000 high school students have taken part.

Commenting on the latest arrests, Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk said: "There have been some who've said this is a one-off case but I have consistently said I believe it to be a wider problem and that's why I am pleased to see the police acting swiftly.

"My message for anyone thinking of getting involved in this kind of activity is that you do so at your peril because the full force of the law will come down very hard on you.

"We've seen inspiring bravery shown by victims in the recent trial. I hope the heavy sentences imposed will encourage other victims to speak out because this crime is being taken very seriously and we need to send out the clearest message that this behaviour will not be tolerated in Rochdale or anywhere else."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-18045244


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:33 am 
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If I were a betting man, I would bet that the unidentifed individual from the first case is implicated in this new case.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:41 am 
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If I were a betting man, I would bet that the unidentifed individual from the first case is implicated in this new case.



I think you alluded to something similar early on in the thread.....you're a regular columbo :wink:

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Its not about race, its not about religion

cant see many white anglo-saxon christians in the mug shots of the case

but lets not go with the catholic priest option.........

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