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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:41 pm 
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Now ask yourself, if transparency and accountability are, all I am looking for, what's the problem? :shock:


Now I took this to mean transparency and accountability were not all you were looking for.
Having re-read it, it could be taken either way, and it seems I wasn't alone in that thinking.

You have my apologies if I misunderstood you.

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Eddie, it strikes me, that you are one of these, brave heart, inspired parochial Scotsman types with your head so far up, Alec Salmond arse. You can see out. #-o

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Now I could be wrong, and I'm sure Eddie will tell me if I am, but I got the impression he's no fan of independence or the SNP.
As to his visual field and how much of it is obscured by Mr Salmond's rectum, I couldn't possibly comment.

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Gusmac, Stationtone, Wee Eddie, whizz kid you are lost in this Scots patriotism nonsense.

Don't you get it, being Scottish is an accident of birth? It's not any different being born a Muslim in Afghanistan. You didn't have a choice in the matter, you never chose your parents or your place of birth, and you played no part in Scots history either.

You have been spoon fed this, “ Brave Heart, proud to be Scottish, the best small country in the world” [edited by admin], from the minute you started to draw breath, and now you are totally brainwashed into believing it. Alec Salmond, is simply manipulating your belief system in a bid to win himself power. The mans a megalomaniac looking forward to rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous, in fact, nearly all politicians are the same.

The political system in its present form is for their benefit, not yours and nothing will change under an SNP, government. :-|


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Gusmac, Stationtone, Wee Eddie, whizz kid you are lost in this Scots patriotism nonsense.

Don't you get it, being Scottish is an accident of birth? It's not any different being born a Muslim in Afghanistan. You didn't have a choice in the matter, you never chose your parents or your place of birth, and you played no part in Scots history either.

You have been spoon fed this, “ Brave Heart, proud to be Scottish, the best small country in the world” [edited by admin], from the minute you started to draw breath, and now you are totally brainwashed into believing it. Alec Salmond, is simply manipulating your belief system in a bid to win himself power. The mans a megalomaniac looking forward to rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous, in fact, nearly all politicians are the same.

The political system in its present form is for their benefit, not yours and nothing will change under an SNP, government. :-|


So under which government will it change?

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gusmac wrote:
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Gusmac, Stationtone, Wee Eddie, whizz kid you are lost in this Scots patriotism nonsense.

Don't you get it, being Scottish is an accident of birth? It's not any different being born a Muslim in Afghanistan. You didn't have a choice in the matter, you never chose your parents or your place of birth, and you played no part in Scots history either.

You have been spoon fed this, “ Brave Heart, proud to be Scottish, the best small country in the world” [edited by admin], from the minute you started to draw breath, and now you are totally brainwashed into believing it. Alec Salmond, is simply manipulating your belief system in a bid to win himself power. The mans a megalomaniac looking forward to rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous, in fact, nearly all politicians are the same.

The political system in its present form is for their benefit, not yours and nothing will change under an SNP, government. :-|


So under which government will it change?


Well, that's up to you.

You should be demanding before you vote SNP. That transparency and accountability of government, is in their manifesto, i.e. all meetings and information are open to press and public scrutiny.

As I said before, I would also want an independent arbiter to deal with any complaints against politicians.

Without the above, it's business as usual and the new boss is the same as the old boss but with a Scottish accent. :-|


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Gusmac, Stationtone, Wee Eddie, whizz kid you are lost in this Scots patriotism nonsense.

Don't you get it, being Scottish is an accident of birth? It's not any different being born a Muslim in Afghanistan. You didn't have a choice in the matter, you never chose your parents or your place of birth, and you played no part in Scots history either.

You have been spoon fed this, “ Brave Heart, proud to be Scottish, the best small country in the world” [edited by admin], from the minute you started to draw breath, and now you are totally brainwashed into believing it. Alec Salmond, is simply manipulating your belief system in a bid to win himself power. The mans a megalomaniac looking forward to rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous, in fact, nearly all politicians are the same.

The political system in its present form is for their benefit, not yours and nothing will change under an SNP, government. :-|


So under which government will it change?


Well, that's up to you.

You should be demanding before you vote SNP. That transparency and accountability of government, is in their manifesto, i.e. all meetings and information are open to press and public scrutiny.

As I said before, I would also want an independent arbiter to deal with any complaints against politicians.

Without the above, it's business as usual and the new boss is the same as the old boss but with a Scottish accent. :-|


As I said before, the choice is for or against independence, not for or against any single party.

An Independent Scotland would have a written constitution, which could include these things if enough people wanted them.
No doubt you will tell us that vested interests will make sure it doesn't happen.

The union has no written constitution and, as far as I'm aware, there are no plans to write one any time soon.
Nothing will change under the union in that regard. Those vested interests will see to that.

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The choice is what you want it to be, Salmond has it all to play for. This is your chance to dictate the terms and conditions of what independence really means, i.e. we don't want the new boss to be like the old boss.

Tell Salmond, that without transparency and accountability of government, you will vote for the Union, as independence only means more of the same, with a Scottish accent.

Don't be fooled by his patriotic rhetoric.

It's what's on the table that really counts. :-|


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Skull surely there IS more of a chance of what you want within an independent country i.e Scotland, im not alone in feeling more significant within a population of 5.2 million than i ever will be under the status quo, there are many including me who want a recognised kind of public scrutiny and accountability, a national forum of respected community players could earn there places on such forums, a democratic kind of lords set up but without pompous titles, sorry but the SNP have since 2007 been accountable to the Scottish people, that was the original plan, lets show what we can do, the Scottish people recognised it and hey the SNP from a 1 seat minority Gov became the mathematical impossibilty of a overall majority, the Scottish recognised and rewarded the SNP with their vote, Alex is doing the same with the referendum, The case has to be spoken in many languages, from the working class to the political class, Alex before we vote is making sure that we know exactly what it is we are voting for, the game though is being played at a time of massive uk gov cuts and Alex knows this helps but we and he of the SNP are dealing in Facts, no scaremongering, wide open to public scrutiny and totally accountable, if there is ever a landslide against salmond then you are right but the facts and figures are there in the open.

Skull your an intellegent guy we know that but don't under estimate the huge belief of thousands who are behind the YES vote, the vote is not a vote for the SNP but a vote to be free, to be Independent, to make our own decisions, to play OUR part in Scotlands history, to give our kids a real chance for the future, Skull this is the moment and we must take this chance, nothing changes if we vote no, things will only get worse, you wont get your chance to change, you voting no is a vote for the staus quo, voting YES changes everything, Centre left, Centre right or socialist, politics will evolve, you will have a part to play as we all will, Skull you know it makes sense Vote Yes you know you want too :wink:

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Skull surely there IS more of a chance of what you want within an independent country i.e Scotland, im not alone in feeling more significant within a population of 5.2 million than i ever will be under the status quo, there are many including me who want a recognised kind of public scrutiny and accountability, a national forum of respected community players could earn there places on such forums, a democratic kind of lords set up but without pompous titles, sorry but the SNP have since 2007 been accountable to the Scottish people, that was the original plan, lets show what we can do, the Scottish people recognised it and hey the SNP from a 1 seat minority Gov became the mathematical impossibilty of a overall majority, the Scottish recognised and rewarded the SNP with their vote, Alex is doing the same with the referendum, The case has to be spoken in many languages, from the working class to the political class, Alex before we vote is making sure that we know exactly what it is we are voting for, the game though is being played at a time of massive uk gov cuts and Alex knows this helps but we and he of the SNP are dealing in Facts, no scaremongering, wide open to public scrutiny and totally accountable, if there is ever a landslide against salmond then you are right but the facts and figures are there in the open.

Skull your an intellegent guy we know that but don't under estimate the huge belief of thousands who are behind the YES vote, the vote is not a vote for the SNP but a vote to be free, to be Independent, to make our own decisions, to play OUR part in Scotlands history, to give our kids a real chance for the future, Skull this is the moment and we must take this chance, nothing changes if we vote no, things will only get worse, you wont get your chance to change, you voting no is a vote for the staus quo, voting YES changes everything, Centre left, Centre right or socialist, politics will evolve, you will have a part to play as we all will, Skull you know it makes sense Vote Yes you know you want too :wink:



The only thing I know, that makes people, responsible and accountable for their actions, no matter who they are, is transparency of their affairs when conducting business. That way, I know what I need to know when casting my vote. I know who is representing whom.

Simple as... :wink:


If Alec Salmond is prepared to open the door to press and public scrutiny, you've got my vote. :wink:

I don't think I'm asking for much. :twisted:


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Skull why have you nae answered gusmac question???



What are you talking about, transparency and accountability of government, is exactly what I'm after? All meetings and information open to press and public scrutiny, with an independent arbiter to deal with complaints and the power to settle matters at will.

There's nothing "coy" about what I want or my answer to you, in fact, it couldn't be more precise.

I think your allegiance to the SNP, is blocking your ability to see the obvious, even when it's right under your nose. #-o :roll:

ARE YOU BLIND? #-o #-o #-o #-o


NO i am not blind, I thought the same as gusmac. Cheers for the large print you save me time looking for my readings glasses now :lol:

BTW have I been brainwashed even I spend over half my life in England????

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Well, when it comes to voting for people who have you bent over with both hands, on your shoulders, ready to give you a big surprise, I would say so. :wink:


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now that nae way to speak about old etonians :shock:

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Dougie, you do realise that if you approach your councilor or MSP, with a problem, there is no one holding them to account? If they decide it's not in their political interest, or it goes against party policy, they simply kick it into the long grass.

And why should anyone be denied the right of a public meeting, with access to all the relevant information in support of their case?

We need a system where by you can appeal against their decisions to an independent arbiter with an appeal through the courts being a measure of last resort.

Councilors, and MSPs should have no hiding place for failing to do their job properly.

The Freedom of Information Act, (FOI) is another piece of bureaucratic nonsense. You make a request for information and your council refuse, and then you've to appeal against their decision to the commissioner.

These people aren't working in the interests of their electorate. It's about using the system and the public purse to beat you down, while cosying up to their chums in high places who really run the country.

The political system in its present forum is simply a charter for abuse.

Transparency and Accountability of government are the only way. If they are representing my interests, then I should know what they do. :-|


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Dougie, you do realise that if you approach your councilor or MSP, with a problem, there is no one holding them to account? If they decide it's not in their political interest, or it goes against party policy, they simply kick it into the long grass.

And why should anyone be denied the right of a public meeting, with access to all the relevant information in support of their case?

We need a system where by you can appeal against their decisions to an independent arbiter with an appeal through the courts being a measure of last resort.

Councilors, and MSPs should have no hiding place for failing to do their job properly.

The Freedom of Information Act, (FOI) is another piece of bureaucratic nonsense. You make a request for information and your council refuse, and then you've to appeal against their decision to the commissioner.

These people aren't working in the interests of their electorate. It's about using the system and the public purse to beat you down, while cosying up to their chums in high places who really run the country.

The political system in its present forum is simply a charter for abuse.

Transparency and Accountability of government are the only way. If they are representing my interests, then I should know what they do. :-|

Old habits die hard, Vote Yes to change the Status Quo :wink:

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:lol: :lol: Tory peer Lord Fraser of Carmylie will take part in a public debate in London next month backing the motion that "It's time to let Scotland go".

He has agreed to appear on the same side as writer Gerry Hassan and former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie, arguing the case for Scotland's departure from the United Kingdom.

He told The Herald last night he was not predicting the outcome of the 2014 referendum, nor saying he wanted to see independence happen, but expressing his view that the decline of Unionist sentiment north of the Border made it inevitable in the longer term.

He added: "Once upon a time you could travel from the Cromarty Firth to the Border, having coffee with me in Dundee and lunch with Malcolm Rifkind in Edinburgh and pass through Tory territory all the way.

"Nowadays if the Tories gained five MPs in the whole country there would be a roar of champagne corks going off, but the truth is there will be no recovery for the Tories this side of independence.

"I also sense a significant shift in England – thanks to First Minister Alex Salmond's skilful handling of events – of people saying, 'If you want it, off you go," and I think his talk of England losing a surly neighbour and gaining a good friend has been a very good line."

Lined up against the motion in the planned Spectator debate on June 27 are two Scots Tories representing English constituencies – Sir Malcolm Rifkind, MP for Kensington and Rory Stewart, MP for Penrith and the Border.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/ ... k.17547571



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