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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:55 am 
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Hundreds of taxi drivers object to council plans to double annual licence fees


Cardiff council committee will today decide whether to go-ahead with plan to increase fees from £230 to £435

Hundreds of furious Cardiff cabbies have objected to a council proposal to almost double their annual licence fees.

A Cardiff council committee will today decide whether to rubber-stamp an increase in the annual hackney carriage vehicle renewal fee from £230 to £435.

Under the plans, which were first approved by councillors in April, the private hire vehicles renewal charge will drop from £230 to £97.

A host of new fees are also planned, including £30 for a driver’s first two oral knowledge tests, £19 for the written knowledge test, £15 for replacement plates and a £26 admin charge for change of vehicle.

A petition with 527 signatures was collected by Capital Cabs company secretary Sharyn Donnachie, who also submitted 89 signed letters from the hackney carriage trade.

Dozens of other objections were lodged by other drivers, who say the large increase hike in running costs during an time of economic downturn could put some out of business.

One cabbie said it appeared the council was trying to “force out of business the smaller owner drivers in favour of the bigger companies”.

Another said it would result in more black-and-white hackney drivers switching to private hire, resulting in less cabs with wheelchair access on the city’s roads.

The Cardiff GMB taxi branch wrote: “One can ponder if there is not a deliberate policy to phase out (the) hackney taxi trade in Cardiff. This will definitely kill off the trade.”

In a report to councillors, the council’s head of regulatory services Dave Holland said the hackney carriage trade incurs more cost to the authority than private hire, such as higher enforcement costs and the supervision of ranks.

The increases, he said, would cover the cost to the council of operating the licensing regime.

The proposals were agreed by the council’s Public Protection Committee in April, but will once again go before councillors for a final decision.

The committee will vote on whether to implement the proposed fees and charges, make modifications or withdraw the proposal altogether.

Representatives of the city’s taxi trade, meanwhile, have also launched legal action against the council.

On March 1, an application for a judicial review in the High Court challenging the council’s current fees and those of previous years. The proceedings are in the early stages and are being resisted by the council.

source: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local ... il-4040735

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Hundreds of taxi drivers object to council plans to double annual licence fees


Cardiff council committee will today decide whether to go-ahead with plan to increase fees from £230 to £435

Hundreds of furious Cardiff cabbies have objected to a council proposal to almost double their annual licence fees.

A Cardiff council committee will today decide whether to rubber-stamp an increase in the annual hackney carriage vehicle renewal fee from £230 to £435.

Under the plans, which were first approved by councillors in April, the private hire vehicles renewal charge will drop from £230 to £97.

A host of new fees are also planned, including £30 for a driver’s first two oral knowledge tests, £19 for the written knowledge test, £15 for replacement plates and a £26 admin charge for change of vehicle.

A petition with 527 signatures was collected by Capital Cabs company secretary Sharyn Donnachie, who also submitted 89 signed letters from the hackney carriage trade.

Dozens of other objections were lodged by other drivers, who say the large increase hike in running costs during an time of economic downturn could put some out of business.

One cabbie said it appeared the council was trying to “force out of business the smaller owner drivers in favour of the bigger companies”.

Another said it would result in more black-and-white hackney drivers switching to private hire, resulting in less cabs with wheelchair access on the city’s roads.

The Cardiff GMB taxi branch wrote: “One can ponder if there is not a deliberate policy to phase out (the) hackney taxi trade in Cardiff. This will definitely kill off the trade.”

In a report to councillors, the council’s head of regulatory services Dave Holland said the hackney carriage trade incurs more cost to the authority than private hire, such as higher enforcement costs and the supervision of ranks.

The increases, he said, would cover the cost to the council of operating the licensing regime.

The proposals were agreed by the council’s Public Protection Committee in April, but will once again go before councillors for a final decision.

The committee will vote on whether to implement the proposed fees and charges, make modifications or withdraw the proposal altogether.

Representatives of the city’s taxi trade, meanwhile, have also launched legal action against the council.

On March 1, an application for a judicial review in the High Court challenging the council’s current fees and those of previous years. The proceedings are in the early stages and are being resisted by the council.

source: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local ... il-4040735



Sounds like another Council using the trade as a cash cow.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:33 am 
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I wonder if the sudden realisation about licensing fees has anything to do with the Guildford case and other rumblings?

From memory Cardiff are reducing the cost for PH operators - after all why should PH finance taxi demand surveys?

It seems obvious if licensing departments cannot take certain funds from specific licenses - other licenses where the laws are different are going to be the ones that get hammered.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:44 am 
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Basically the council are expecting us to fund the "Taxi Marshall" initiative that was either introduced by them or the police. I made an FOI request back on the 24th April 2013 regarding the issue, but have yet to receive any information despite the fact that they have a 20 day turnaround to supply information.

My e-mailed objection is printed below.



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I wish to place on record my objection to the increase proposed by Cardiff Council re the Hackney licensing fees.



My understanding of the proposed increase is that we the (Hackney Carriages) are now expected to fund Cardiff Ambassadors/Taxi Marshals costs! Having been in touch with the FOI office, I am still waiting for relevant information that should show/indicate that the original concept was more to do with a Law and order issue, and as such still remains the same. I would like to share this information with you when it arrives.



May I start by saying that the Ambassadors role is of no financial benefit to the taxi trade, and as such the drivers remuneration would be the same with or without it, i.e the same volume of trade would be out on the streets regardless of whether they were there or not. The reason that I have stated that, is because there is no financial, or other advantage, for us to want to pay for such a service as were managing for many years without it Having said that, the advantage of having the "ambassadors" lays with the Police, as it does keep some form of law and order, and as such gives them extra manpower that they are apparently not willing to pay for. I would therefore respectfully argue that the costs should be accredited to whichever department is responsible for "Law and Order", as that is not the direct responsibility as such to "Cardiff Hackneys".



This I believe is an important issue to get right, as the costs re " Law and Order" have always been a government/police responsibility/cost. Should this be allowed to go through, then no department/organisation/business will be immune from a costing being imposed on an issue that they are not responsible for by back door methods as in this case. The "Law and Order" problems out on the streets necessitating Ambassadors are not caused by "The Taxi trade"! All we are at the end of the night is a means of getting these people home,for without the taxi trade then there really would be problems.



May I finish by saying - we are not the cause of the necessity of "Ambassadors" and neither should we have to bear the cost.


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Why would you not object to such a increase,its not like it was out of touch with the current fee.


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Why would you not object to such a increase,its not like it was out of touch with the current fee.


For any "Body/Organisation" to come up with a 100% increase in any fees/bills, demonstrates negligence, and should not be doing the job. They are in receipt of over £700,000 of licence fees per annum - and are now claiming that it is running at a loss :shock:

The number of taxi/hackney vehicles went up from 450 to 967 from eight years ago! It is fair to say that the fees have doubled their coffers, probably creating off of the backs of the drivers, some nice highly paid jobs - "CASH COW" is definitely the words.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:25 pm 
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But I'm sure according to their accounts after legal fees and consultancy fees it costs £800000 a year to license taxis

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edders23 wrote:
But I'm sure according to their accounts after legal fees and consultancy fees it costs £800000 a year to license taxis


Plus quite a few staff on excess of 35K - not a bad salary down here.

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edders23 wrote:
But I'm sure according to their accounts after legal fees and consultancy fees it costs £800000 a year to license taxis


Plus quite a few staff on excess of 35K - not a bad salary down here.



How do they warrant paying that sort of salary within a Council for pushing pens?


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Nidge2 wrote:
cabby john wrote:
edders23 wrote:
But I'm sure according to their accounts after legal fees and consultancy fees it costs £800000 a year to license taxis


Plus quite a few staff on excess of 35K - not a bad salary down here.



How do they warrant paying that sort of salary within a Council for pushing pens?


But for every Pen pusher their will be a Supervisor over seeing how well the pen is being pushed, a Health and safety officer to ensure the Pen is held correctly, a senior council official who has to check up on the connectivity of the aforementioned Pen Pusher, Supervisor and Health and safety officer.

Then to over see all those will be a Director to direct everyone below them but who in turn will be answerable to a Councillor who will be Answerable to a the Council Convener.

That Single Pen actually takes at least six people just to simply get it to work!! And it'll will take at least a further 10 council officials to decide what the pen pusher is actually permitted to write.

Now that's 16 People all earning on average £40,000 per year which totals £640,000 per annum.

I reckon that good value for rate payers money just to pen one Letter. :wink:


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cabby john wrote:
edders23 wrote:
But I'm sure according to their accounts after legal fees and consultancy fees it costs £800000 a year to license taxis


Plus quite a few staff on excess of 35K - not a bad salary down here.


WHATS THIS GMB MUSH ON ABOUT??

35K AND A SHEEP TO SHAG ---------------------------OOH JOHN'SIN HEAVEN :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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grow up TT this is a serious discussion

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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local ... ke-4044623

It will not be the end of it, if it is, then it will have implications for all drivers up and down the country that have "Taxi Marshals".

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cabby john wrote:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/cardiff-cabbies-furious-after-hike-4044623

It will not be the end of it, if it is, then it will have implications for all drivers up and down the country that have "Taxi Marshals".


Taxi marshals fees don't come out of licence fees


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skippy41 wrote:
cabby john wrote:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/cardiff-cabbies-furious-after-hike-4044623

It will not be the end of it, if it is, then it will have implications for all drivers up and down the country that have "Taxi Marshals".


Taxi marshals fees don't come out of licence fees



If this goes through - then it will.

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