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Pending Court Case, Edinburgh Council (14/07/05)


In the event that Edinburgh Council go ahead and fight the applications for Edinburgh Taxi Licence Plates and lose, the flood gates will be open.

Legal counsel advised us that Edinburgh Council is facing a humiliating defeat resulting in de-restriction if they go ahead with the legal challenge.

The only recourse given to the Council and the trade would be an eleventh hour back down by the Council granting the licence plates and avoiding the total de-restriction of the Edinburgh Taxi Trade.


The Council are in the process of commissioning a survey of demand to be completed by the end of August 2005 and implemented, end November 2005 any new applications would fall into this time period. A defeat in court however would render this survey null and void.


The End

Let's hope they get a pasting at court, they well deserve to.

However if they just issue plates only to the lads that applied, that may not be perfect for all, but it does reward the drivers that are prepared to front up, and give those who find apathy such a good thing, their just rewards i.e. f*** all.

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IDFIMH

The bottom line is this could have all been avoided but unfortunately as with all of these matters common sense just goes out of the window.


Edinburgh council are no different from any other council in that they are ego driven and fuelled by the public purse.


Up to now our QC reckons that they haven’t got a case in any way shape or form but seem to be hell bent on not only their own humiliation but total de-restriction, then again maybe that is what they want and we could be doing them a favour.

There is an element of sense there.

If the court tells them to do something, then they have got a 100% cast iron kop out. They can simply say don't blame us, we didn't want to do it, blame the courts or those ghastly lads who started this all.

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IDFIMH

I don't know too much about Scottish law. Apart from that is the Scottish verdict 'not proven' means 'guilty, but don't do it again'.

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IDFIMH

Yes, that’s the copout, the council think it is clever to go into court waste the taxpayer’s money on a hopeless case, lose and blame the loss on everyone else.

On this occasion however it maybe more of an embarrassment than the council can stand.

Our legal team have cited Council Civil Servants, lawyers and councillors to give witness to the whole debacle in this case.

This will be hugely embarrassing as well as being open to public scrutiny. In the last few months they have never been out of the press for their incompetence.

Heads will roll!

Shows how out of touch these guys are.
1. Edinburgh Council are notorious for backing down BEFORE legal action. The very threat of it is usually enough - so why are they fighting this time?.
2. Dundee does NOT set a precedent for Edinburgh. The circumstances surrounding the monitoring of taxi provision in Edinburgh is totally different.
3. These fools actually want more taxis on the street when we are already ranking 12 deep at times!!
4. The skull omits to say that the 100 or so guys who have already paid fees to the council over 10 years ago and still await licences are in front of them in any queue - they have paid the licence fee which was current at the time of their application.
5. All the skull and his cohorts are trying to do is destroy the taxi trade. He already had a plate, sold it, took a job as a driver and now thinks he can f**k up the rest of us.
6. Everything he has said or done in the past prove that because of his hatred of authority (any authority) all he seeks is revenge.

Believe me, I've known him (and of him) for a long time, so don't be fooled or misled by his biased stories.

Ali T

What’s your name realCabforce?

I am more than happy to debate any of the points you have raised but not under a pseudonyms.

As you know my name is Garry Thomson, that’s right “The Skull” Garry Thomson.

For everyone out there looking at these postings let’s see what this man is made of, if anything at all?

What’s your name realCabforce, I know it is not Ali T. he is one of the brotherhood?

I suspect this is one of the cowards that I have to deal with on day-to-day bases, an unhappy cabbie getting ready to kiss away a £40,000 licence plate and a £30,000 taxi.

Oh dear!

For a second there I thought I was going to have to wrestle with my conscience?

I say again, what’s your name?

[quote="RealCabforce"]Shows how out of touch these guys are.
1. Edinburgh Council are notorious for backing down BEFORE legal action. The very threat of it is usually enough - so why are they fighting this time?.



Really, well if that’s the case you have noting to worry about, do you?



2. Dundee does NOT set a precedent for Edinburgh. The circumstances surrounding the monitoring of taxi provision in Edinburgh is totally different.


Once again, nothing to worry about?




3. These fools actually want more taxis on the street when we are already ranking 12 deep at times!!




Correct, real taxis not PHC!

Why do you think you are ranking 12 deep empty head?



4. The skull omits to say that the 100 or so guys who have already paid fees to the council over 10 years ago and still await licences are in front of them in any queue - they have paid the licence fee which was current at the time of their application.



There is no provision in the Civic Government Scotland Act 1982 for a list of interested parties. They are not applicants because they agreed to be “interested” for the last 10 years.




5. All the skull and his cohorts are trying to do is destroy the taxi trade. He already had a plate, sold it, took a job as a driver and now thinks he can f**k up the rest of us.



Wrong, I sold 2 plates and enjoyed every minute of it, its called "business".

Welcome to the real world, I only believe in people who want to take control for themselves. Perhaps I should pay £40,000 for a licence plate and £30,000 for a taxi and go cap in hand to the council just like you?





6. Everything he has said or done in the past prove that because of his hatred of authority (any authority) all he seeks is revenge.




Ah yes, authority, I don’t consider councilors to be any kind of authority, they are little men who feed on the weaknesses of others, people like you who go cap in hand for a crust.




Believe me, I've known him (and of him) for a long time, so don't be fooled or misled by his biased stories.




Well, if you know me as you claim then perhaps you will tell us all who you are?

I doubt it?

I am not an expert on the Scottish Taxi trade and all I can say on this matter is that I hope the Scottish court come to the right decision. It might not sit well with some of us here but the law is law......I hope we can live with the verdict of the Scottish court.

Regards

Jd

Dundee is a welcome precedent for the whole of the UK.

As I believe the lads are using the same brief as in Dundee, then I would be very surprised if he doesn't make it look very similar to the court.

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IDFIMH

Sussex, do you think some of the boys in Edinburgh are a little nervous of the outcome?


It all comes down to one thing, the granting of the licence plates. No one is forcing the council to got to court that is their choice.

If they give us the plates they will retain a certain amount of control and the “mothers meeting” they call the “Edinburgh Taxi Trade” will be safely wrapped up in cotton wool for another few years.


If they don’t then its game over, survival of the fittest dog eats dog, and we are all dogs.


Have fun boys!

If they had any sense then they should support your applications, but I suspect many are too thick to realise that issuing a dozen or so plates is better than hundreds.

As for the council's actions, well when you are dealing with un-elected officials (LOs) and elected buffoons (councillors), then nothing will ever surprise me.

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IDFIMH

We debated that earlier in the year. The difference between Dundee and Edinburgh is that Dundee didn't attempt any assessment regarding any unmet demand at all, but while Edinburgh does, it's mere tokenism and doesn't actually assess anything at all, it's merely trying to look like it does. It would probably be laughed out of court if any attempt was made to use it as any proper assessment of the supply/demand scenario.

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Taxi Driver Online
www.taxi-driver.co.uk

That’s exactly the point, had anyone applied common sense instead of greed, control and power this could have all been avoided.


The trouble is they think they have a monopoly on the only game in town, well its time to think again.

For me I win no matter what way it cuts, even if we were lose in court all we have lost is time. The problem the Council have is that even if they get the survey of demand it does not apply to our applications, it quite simply comes down to the demand at the time our applications were made and the council don’t have the answer.


I might also add that when the council tendered for the survey they stated in the document that the PHV had doubled in the last five years.

On the bases of this knowledge alone the council know that the unmet demand is being taken up by the PHV.

These lunatics sent the tender document out while stating that there was no unmet demand in Edinburgh in reply to our applications. This begs the question, if there is no unmet demand then where are all the PHV coming from.

Another question might be, if you already know the answer to the survey why commission a survey at all?

No demand is “no” demand after all.


Lunatics!