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 Post subject: Re: 6 hour heathrow wait
PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:46 pm 
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You DO NOT ignore in England.

I must have missed something because I was under the impression that these private invoices were not enforceable. have the rules changed?

Yes !!!!!

Now if you ignore they go to court and a CCJ is issued.

However it's simple to get around the parking scammers.

You send in an appeal to the ticket, which will be rejected about 95% of the time.

With that appeal rejection they should send a POPLA code, which allows you to appeal to a so-called independent assessor, and that costs the scammers £27 + vat win or lose, and cost the appellant £0 win or lose.

So it helps if the original appeal is a bit weak, thus costing the scammers money. There is also a very long back-log for POPLA appeals.

The two main appeal winners for appellants are 1) the scammers don't have the correct legal right to pursue the appellants, and 2) the £100-£150 so-called fines aren't a true reflection of the costs caused by the so-called transgression.

Both nearly always win, but number 2 seems to be the daddy, as the loss to the landowner on a free parking site is nothing, even on a paid car park it's never going to be more than £20, more times than not it's a few pounds at most.

All the above info comes via peepipoo and Money Saving Expert sites. Both are a brilliant resource for this stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: 6 hour heathrow wait
PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:41 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
You DO NOT ignore in England.

I must have missed something because I was under the impression that these private invoices were not enforceable. have the rules changed?

Yes !!!!!

Now if you ignore they go to court and a CCJ is issued.

However it's simple to get around the parking scammers.

You send in an appeal to the ticket, which will be rejected about 95% of the time.

With that appeal rejection they should send a POPLA code, which allows you to appeal to a so-called independent assessor, and that costs the scammers £27 + vat win or lose, and cost the appellant £0 win or lose.

So it helps if the original appeal is a bit weak, thus costing the scammers money. There is also a very long back-log for POPLA appeals.

The two main appeal winners for appellants are 1) the scammers don't have the correct legal right to pursue the appellants, and 2) the £100-£150 so-called fines aren't a true reflection of the costs caused by the so-called transgression.

Both nearly always win, but number 2 seems to be the daddy, as the loss to the landowner on a free parking site is nothing, even on a paid car park it's never going to be more than £20, more times than not it's a few pounds at most.

All the above info comes via peepipoo and Money Saving Expert sites. Both are a brilliant resource for this stuff.



The CCJ is issued by Northampton Baulking Centre and doesn't show up as a CCJ, I've had two for private parking tickets and it hasn't shown up on my credit file which I check every week.


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 Post subject: Re: 6 hour heathrow wait
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:39 pm 
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The CCJ is issued by Northampton Baulking Centre and doesn't show up as a CCJ, I've had two for private parking tickets and it hasn't shown up on my credit file which I check every week.

Did you pay them?

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 Post subject: Re: 6 hour heathrow wait
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:27 pm 
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A pedantic correction, if I may: A CCJ is not 'issued.' Even if you were to receive court papers, you still have the normal opportunities to defend in a court of law. ONLY if you lose do you get a CCJ. Your credit file is only affected if you then fail to comply with the CCJ and not pay.

Another point is that things are progressing against the scammers on an almost daily basis. Two more attacks are currently being tested at POPLA and in court: The unreliability of the ANPR systems and the meaning of 'relevant land' within PoFA 2012. It's fascinating stuff to follow and get involved in!!!


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