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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:10 pm 
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capable of what though? The court report says that she only went to the room with the chap who was aquitted. Evans joined them later.
So how drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent.



Come on take the blinkers off FFS. Twice cried rape before, posted on Twitter that her spending spree was about to begin, she was clearly seen going to the room with Evans, the video clearly shows it.




she was seen going to the room with McDonald not Evans,

although in my eyes she doesn't seem heavily intoxicated cctv

sooner the appeals underway the better from the evidence I've seen from all sides the conviction is wrong in my own opinion


Yeah she's to drunk. (sarcasm)


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:36 pm 
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No doubt the jury was privy to a lot more information / evidence than we are allowed to see / hear.

it was a public trial.
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-che ... dwyn-evans

It may have been a public trial but I haven't read through every one of the court transcripts, I haven't seen the faces or the body language of every witness nor seen how long it took them to answer any questions asked of them, have you ?
This guy may well be innocent but it's not for you, me or any number of social media campaigns/ petitions to decide, it's a judge and jury's job, Even if they occasionally get it wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:18 pm 
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No doubt the jury was privy to a lot more information / evidence than we are allowed to see / hear.

it was a public trial.
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-che ... dwyn-evans

It may have been a public trial but I haven't read through every one of the court transcripts, I haven't seen the faces or the body language of every witness nor seen how long it took them to answer any questions asked of them, have you ?
This guy may well be innocent but it's not for you, me or any number of social media campaigns/ petitions to decide, it's a judge and jury's job, Even if they occasionally get it wrong.


The jury have found him guilty.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:22 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:
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capable of what though? The court report says that she only went to the room with the chap who was aquitted. Evans joined them later.
So how drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent.



Come on take the blinkers off FFS. Twice cried rape before, posted on Twitter that her spending spree was about to begin, she was clearly seen going to the room with Evans, the video clearly shows it.

I take it that you can't answer the question that I have asked? How drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent? She says that she has no recollection of anything past 3.00am. Could it be possible that she was able to consent at that point but by the time Evans arrived on the scene what is to say that she had not had more to drink and was not then capable of consent.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:25 pm 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 57849.html


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:11 pm 
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The fella was convicted in a court, so he is guilty.

If the appeal court decided otherwise then he will no longer be a convicted rapist.

As for him earning a living, I think he should find work, and I think he is fully entitled to find work somewhere, I'm just glad it wont be my club.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:57 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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capable of what though? The court report says that she only went to the room with the chap who was aquitted. Evans joined them later.
So how drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent.



Come on take the blinkers off FFS. Twice cried rape before, posted on Twitter that her spending spree was about to begin, she was clearly seen going to the room with Evans, the video clearly shows it.

I take it that you can't answer the question that I have asked? How drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent? She says that she has no recollection of anything past 3.00am. Could it be possible that she was able to consent at that point but by the time Evans arrived on the scene what is to say that she had not had more to drink and was not then capable of consent.



Have you ever seen a male who's been falsely accused of rape? I doubt you have, take the rose tinted glasses off you stupid fool.


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The fella was convicted in a court, so he is guilty.

If the appeal court decided otherwise then he will no longer be a convicted rapist.

As for him earning a living, I think he should find work, and I think he is fully entitled to find work somewhere, I'm just glad it wont be my club.



Found guilty on lies from a slag.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:21 pm 
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I take it that you can't answer the question that I have asked? How drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent?


Have you ever seen a male who's been falsely accused of rape? I doubt you have, take the rose tinted glasses off you stupid fool.

Still no answer then?
The law will say that even though she may have agreed to sex and actively participated, she was so intoxicated that she is deemed incapable of taking that decision. That, unfortunately for him, makes it rape.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:27 am 
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I take it that you can't answer the question that I have asked? How drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent?


Have you ever seen a male who's been falsely accused of rape? I doubt you have, take the rose tinted glasses off you stupid fool.

Still no answer then?
The law will say that even though she may have agreed to sex and actively participated, she was so intoxicated that she is deemed incapable of taking that decision. That, unfortunately for him, makes it rape.



No it doesn't, once again your talking out of your rusty bullet hole. She went back to "his" hotel room for a length and a pay day not to play doctors and nurses, she knew what she was doing. She was so intoxicated she went back for her pizza and clearly crouched down and picked it up without falling over.

I'll reiterate my earlier question. Have you ever known and seen the effects on someone who's been falsely accused of rape? Its not a very nice situation to be in.


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I take it that you can't answer the question that I have asked? How drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:00 am 
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Nidge2 wrote:
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The law will say that even though she may have agreed to sex and actively participated, she was so intoxicated that she is deemed incapable of taking that decision. That, unfortunately for him, makes it rape.



No it doesn't, once again your talking out of your rusty bullet hole.

This is what the judge said in his summing up. Maybe he has it wrong then.
"A woman clearly does not have the capacity to make a choice if she is completely unconscious through the effects of drink and drugs, but there are various stages of consciousness, from being wide awake to dim awareness of reality. In a state of dim and drunken awareness you may, or may not, be in a condition to make choices. So you will need to consider the evidence of the complainant's state and decide these two questions: was she in a condition in which she was capable of making any choice one way or another? If you are sure that she was not, then she did not consent. If, on the other hand, you conclude that she chose to agree to sexual intercourse, or may have done, then you must find the defendants not guilty."

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:16 am 
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The law will say that even though she may have agreed to sex and actively participated, she was so intoxicated that she is deemed incapable of taking that decision. That, unfortunately for him, makes it rape.



No it doesn't, once again your talking out of your rusty bullet hole.

This is what the judge said in his summing up. Maybe he has it wrong then.
"A woman clearly does not have the capacity to make a choice if she is completely unconscious through the effects of drink and drugs, but there are various stages of consciousness, from being wide awake to dim awareness of reality. In a state of dim and drunken awareness you may, or may not, be in a condition to make choices. So you will need to consider the evidence of the complainant's state and decide these two questions: was she in a condition in which she was capable of making any choice one way or another? If you are sure that she was not, then she did not consent. If, on the other hand, you conclude that she chose to agree to sexual intercourse, or may have done, then you must find the defendants not guilty."


She had cocaine and cannabis in her system also along with the alcohol which one are you going for??

Wash that sand out of your fanny Gloria.

He's innocent and will be proven innocent in a few weeks time when its all been overturned and the lying slag is brought to book over it.

I'll reiterate my earlier question, do you know anyone who's been falsely accused of rape??


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:29 am 
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Nidge2 wrote:
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This is what the judge said in his summing up. Maybe he has it wrong then.
"A woman clearly does not have the capacity to make a choice if she is completely unconscious through the effects of drink and drugs, but there are various stages of consciousness, from being wide awake to dim awareness of reality. In a state of dim and drunken awareness you may, or may not, be in a condition to make choices. So you will need to consider the evidence of the complainant's state and decide these two questions: was she in a condition in which she was capable of making any choice one way or another? If you are sure that she was not, then she did not consent. If, on the other hand, you conclude that she chose to agree to sexual intercourse, or may have done, then you must find the defendants not guilty."


She had cocaine and cannabis in her system also along with the alcohol which one are you going for??

Wash that sand out of your fanny Gloria.

He's innocent and will be proven innocent in a few weeks time when its all been overturned and the lying slag is brought to book over it.

I'll reiterate my earlier question, do you know anyone who's been falsely accused of rape??

I don't know anyone who has been accuse of rape, falsely or otherwise. The only way that you can possibly know that he is innocent is if you were one of the other people who was present and you took a measure of her alcohol level at the time.
Now are you going to have a go at answering my question to you. How drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent?

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Not one ounce of remorse shown,the fella is a c unt.


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