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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:27 pm 
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Uber faces massive crackdown in London

Transport for London consultation proposes new regulations that would ban some of minicab-hailing app's key features

Transport for London is preparing to launch a crackdown on Uber, proposing a series of new rules that will hit the popular minicab-hailing app in one of its most popular cities.

Documents seen by the Telegraph reveal that London’s transport body is due to consult on new proposals for private hire companies that would ban some of Uber’s key features.

The proposals include a minimum five-minute wait time between ordering a private hire vehicle and it arriving, and banning operators from showing cars for hire within a smartphone app – a hallmark of the American company's service.

TfL is also proposing that passengers must be able to book fares up to seven days in advance, and limiting ride-sharing, a move that would severely hamper Uber’s plans to introduce its UberPool service in London.

The proposals represent the latest crackdown from various regulators around the world on Uber, which has threatened to disrupt London’s black cab industry as well as taxi services in many other cities, and could have a major effect on its success in the capital.

"These bureaucratic new rules will not improve your ride," said Jo Bertram, Uber's general manager for the UK, Ireland and Nordics.

"They’re designed to address the concerns of black cab drivers, who feel under pressure from increased competition.

"But the answer is to reduce the onerous regulations cabbies face today - not increase them for everyone else."

TfL documents marked “private and confidential” reveal how the public body plans to launch a September consultation on the matter "in the interests of public safety and an effective and up to date regulatory system". It is expected to be unveiled within days.

Uber matches drivers with passengers via a smartphone app, allowing riders to hail a ride within minutes. This makes it significantly quicker than traditional private hire operators, although they are regulated as such.

This has caused outrage among London’s black cab drivers and associations, who have repeatedly held protests causing gridlock in central London over the issue.

Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, has defended Uber at times, recently telling cabbies: "You are dealing with a huge economic force which is consumer choice and the taxi trade needs to recognise that.”

However, after closing a consultation on the private hire industry in June, TfL is now proposing a series of rules that its documents say have been drafted and discussed with trade groups.

The 25 proposals in the draft document include several that would be particularly damaging to Uber, and appear designed in response to the rise of minicab apps.

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TfL is consulting on the following proposals that could affect Uber:

Operators "must provide booking confirmation details to the passenger at least five minutes prior to the journey commencing". Uber matches potential passengers with the nearest riders, meaning they are picked up in, on average, three minutes after requesting a car.

Companies "must not show vehicles being available for immediate hire either visibly or virtually via an app". One of Uber's key features is a map of available drivers in the area around the passenger.

Operators "must offer a facility to pre-book up to seven days in advance", an option that would create major headaches for Uber, since it does not allow passengers to pre-book rides.

Drivers may only work for one operator at a time. Uber says many of its drivers are part-time workers whose main employer is a traditional minicab firm.

There should be "controls on ridesharing in public vehicles". Uber's chief executive Travis Kalanick has said he wants to bring the UberPool service, which allows several customers to share a car, to London.

The proposals are contained in a draft document, so may have changed.

Uber has faced difficulties with regulators in several other countries. The company's UberPOP service has been abandoned in France after it was suspended, and has been banned in Belgium pending appeal.

Uber has said it has more than 15,000 drivers in London, which represents the vast majority of its operations in the UK.

The Telegraph has requested comment from TfL

source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/n ... ondon.html

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:29 pm 
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Uber issues warning as TfL plans curbs for private hire firms

Uber has warned that its fares will have to rise if “pointless” new rules for private hire firms are implemented.

Transport for London is tomorrow expected to unveil a raft of proposals designed to give passengers more protection and create a more even playing field with black cabs.

The rules will require drivers to pass a basic English language test, and a “Knowledge-lite” geography test, before they can drive in the capital. Further potential regulations include:

• A compulsory five-minute delay be-fore a passenger can be picked up by a private hire vehicle after booking;

• Making it illegal to show cars available for immediate hire, either visibly or virtually, via an app;

• Drivers must use facial or fingerprint recognition to log into an app;

• Drivers should be allowed to work for only one operator at a time;

• Passengers must state a fixed destination at the time of booking.


In its response to the consultation on the plans, Uber will say: “These pointless new rules will do nothing to im-prove the service Uber and other apps provide. They’re designed to address the concerns of black cab drivers, who are feeling squeezed due to competition. But the answer is to reduce onerous regulations, not increase them.”

The current regulatory regime for minicabs dates back to 1998, long before the era of smartphones and apps.

The consultation will last until the end of the year with the new rules coming into force in 2016.

Steve McNamara, general secretary of the Licensed Taxi Drivers’ Association, welcomed the new rules.

source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transpor ... 58256.html

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Looks to me that the private hire operators have their thumbs firmly in this pie :roll:

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In its response to the consultation on the plans, Uber will say: “These pointless new rules will do nothing to im-prove the service Uber and other apps provide. They’re designed to address the concerns of black cab drivers, who are feeling squeezed due to competition. But the answer is to reduce onerous regulations, not increase them.”


I think Uber are wrong in whom they blame for this

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:34 pm 
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I think Uber are wrong in whom they blame for this


Its quite amusing really

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So as elements of the taxi/PH trade move towards the future with more modern ways of working, TfL want to take the trade back to Victorian times.

Dark age mentality, absolute dark age mentality. ](*,)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:39 pm 
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Shock, horror .......

Uber will have to comply with the 1998 PH act ..... like every other London PH operator has too.

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Uber don't play by the rules, and won't take this lying down.


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So as elements of the taxi/PH trade move towards the future with more modern ways of working, TfL want to take the trade back to Victorian times.

Dark age mentality, absolute dark age mentality. ](*,)


pmsl - oh the lolz!

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They've mobilised their paid Journo's, all screaming how unfair it is to make a dodgy American Goldman Sachs backed tax dodging start up obey the law like the other 2500 licensed Minicab firms do.

I think they like having foreign nationals driving them about for a bus fare, delivering them to their million pound pads. I wonder if the driver has to doff his or her cap at them for 4 stars?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:57 pm 
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They've mobilised their paid Journo's, all screaming how unfair it is to make a dodgy American Goldman Sachs backed tax dodging start up obey the law like the other 2500 licensed Minicab firms do.

I think they like having foreign nationals driving them about for a bus fare, delivering them to their million pound pads. I wonder if the driver has to doff his or her cap at them for 4 stars?

:lol:


and the out of town drivers using the uber app will be beyond TFL

the world is about to go mad.

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They've mobilised their paid Journo's, all screaming how unfair it is to make a dodgy American Goldman Sachs backed tax dodging start up obey the law like the other 2500 licensed Minicab firms do.

I think they like having foreign nationals driving them about for a bus fare, delivering them to their million pound pads. I wonder if the driver has to doff his or her cap at them for 4 stars?

:lol:

2500 ph FIRMS obey the law :lol: :lol: :lol: :badgrin: :badgrin: their crooks ponces and parasites as you well know GBC dangerous hours, corrupt work distribution. racism. sexism, tax dodging, swindling fekking scum 90%of emm

As for Goldman Sachs your right of course another criminal collection of assoles :evil:

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They've mobilised their paid Journo's, all screaming how unfair it is to make a dodgy American Goldman Sachs backed tax dodging start up obey the law like the other 2500 licensed Minicab firms do.


he's not wrong on that one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/uber/

it seems all the media darlings love Uber and that Cabs up and down the country are bad, every article is pro uber and how it allows for better competition etc etc etc


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They've mobilised their paid Journo's, all screaming how unfair it is to make a dodgy American Goldman Sachs backed tax dodging start up obey the law like the other 2500 licensed Minicab firms do.


he's not wrong on that one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/uber/

it seems all the media darlings love Uber and that Cabs up and down the country are bad, every article is pro uber and how it allows for better competition etc etc etc

Do UBER do account work? If not they wont get much work from institutions that rely on monthly accounts.

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Do UBER do account work? If not they wont get much work from institutions that rely on monthly accounts.

No, unless a company credit card is viewed as an account.

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