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EU - Remain or Leave?
Remain in the EU 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:01 pm 
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Oh and this is what we have to put up with, not that I mind a fair share! It is hypocrisy that I cannot stand>>>>>>>>>>>


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:04 pm 
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Still nothing of substance from any of the out groups. Do any of them have any workable ideas?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:22 pm 
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Still nothing of substance from any of the out groups. Do any of them have any workable ideas?


Ok. All the "in groups" can do is to dole out fear, there is literally nothing for the masses!

All we are getting (pretty much as expected) is YOU WILL ALL LOSE YOUR JOBS - WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STOP OUR COUNTRY FROM BEING FLOODED WITH IMMIGRANTS, all of this from supposed leaders of this country who if they came into government with that attitude.........would NEVER get elected.

Not once have anyone of them said; If we stay in, we can see that it is starting to work for the benefit of all of the UK citizens - not one of them!

At the moment we are/have moved towards a different kind of communism! Remember the Russians took all of the Iron curtain countries under their wing, turned them into satellite states, promised them the earth, eventually left them nigh on starving to death.........and then the oligarchs looted the wealth. Fast forward>>>>>>>>

Change Moscow for Brussels and the above is not a lot different. Having said that there is a difference that I have mentioned before, a difference that money/wealth can never buy......they are destroying total civilisations and cultures, just as history shows with the Incas/Aztecs and dozens more......and I used to wonder as to how that could possibly happen - now I know!

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Cabby John 1 wrote:

At the moment we are/have moved towards a different kind of communism! Remember the Russians took all of the Iron curtain countries under their wing, turned them into satellite states, promised them the earth, eventually left them nigh on starving to death.........and then the oligarchs looted the wealth. Fast forward>>>>>>>>


And you accuse the in people of scare tactics. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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At the moment we are/have moved towards a different kind of communism! Remember the Russians took all of the Iron curtain countries under their wing, turned them into satellite states, promised them the earth, eventually left them nigh on starving to death.........and then the oligarchs looted the wealth. Fast forward>>>>>>>>


And you accuse the in people of scare tactics. :roll: :roll: :roll:


None of it is scare tactics - all of it is the truth. Tell me/point out to me where I am scare mongering.

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At the moment we are/have moved towards a different kind of communism! Remember the Russians took all of the Iron curtain countries under their wing, turned them into satellite states, promised them the earth, eventually left them nigh on starving to death.........and then the oligarchs looted the wealth. Fast forward>>>>>>>>


And you accuse the in people of scare tactics. :roll: :roll: :roll:


None of it is scare tactics - all of it is the truth. Tell me/point out to me where I am scare mongering.

Suggesting that we are all going to starve to death if we stay in is a good starting point.
Tell me why none of the outers have come forward with any information?

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Tell me why none of the outers have come forward with any information?



That one I cannot answer in total. You will obviously get Boris/Farage and many others giving a factual version. What I do know is that the "In Crowd" are spreading lies and fear - the "In Crowd" are not coming out with overall beneficial reasons for the whole of the population to stay in. They are picking on pockets of good paying jobs/industries and telling them that they will be out of work........unfortunately there is nothing whatsoever for the masses.

For my sins; what I have posted are from my own thoughts/what I have read/what I personally see and hear.

I would also ask you to bear in mind that there is a lot of disagreement within parties from politicians who are pretty high up the chain of office. This is largely unthinkable, and most certainly unprintable from their various offices, dare I say tantamount to office treason, basically on this one nobody would be allowed to disagree with the boss. However it does show from (apparently) the best minds in government (from people who are actually in the know/insiders) that they do not believe that it is working for the UK.

You have only got to look at the recessions that we have been involved in since we joined the EU, and the National debt that we are now in, to realise that things in peacetime have NEVER been so bad.

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Tell me why none of the outers have come forward with any information?



That one I cannot answer in total. You will obviously get Boris/Farage and many others giving a factual version.

Not necessarily factual. They will eventually give their version but I doubt it will be factual. Of course you will believe every word they say.

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Tell me why none of the outers have come forward with any information?



That one I cannot answer in total. You will obviously get Boris/Farage and many others giving a factual version.

Not necessarily factual. They will eventually give their version but I doubt it will be factual. Of course you will believe every word they say.


Tbh I feel that all they have to do (the outs) is to deal in honesty and facts - The "Ins" will tell enough lies, and spread enough fear to trip themselves up.

As for myself; I will watch and listen as I have done all of my life. Having said that, nothing in all honestly is going to make me change my mind......I have seen enough.

I see no comments (from all) on the rediculous amount of recessions since joining, or any disputing of this wonderful business arrangement that has practically bankrupted every member......of course the EU is working ha ha.....not.

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cabby john wrote:

I see no comments (from all) on the rediculous amount of recessions since joining, or any disputing of this wonderful business arrangement that has practically bankrupted every member......of course the EU is working ha ha.....not.

Most recessions that I can remember have been pretty much global recessions and not just European recessions.
Of course the EU is not perfect and there will always be some bits that any of us would like to see changed but I believe that we are better placed to change things if we remain in the EU.
I believe that the French have said today that if we leave the EU then our border control will be removed from their side of the channel and they will let people leave and they will have to be dealt with on our side of the channel. Can you see that working?

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The UK must be the only EU member who had a banking collapse or finance crash and didnt go cap in hand for a EU-bailout but I bet we chipped in for all the other members who DID take the loans.....

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grandad wrote:
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I see no comments (from all) on the rediculous amount of recessions since joining, or any disputing of this wonderful business arrangement that has practically bankrupted every member......of course the EU is working ha ha.....not.

Most recessions that I can remember have been pretty much global recessions and not just European recessions.
Of course the EU is not perfect and there will always be some bits that any of us would like to see changed but I believe that we are better placed to change things if we remain in the EU.
I believe that the French have said today that if we leave the EU then our border control will be removed from their side of the channel and they will let people leave and they will have to be dealt with on our side of the channel. Can you see that working?


Re border control.

That is the irresponsible dare I say unlawful behaviour that we will get from the threat/fear brigade. Any Prime Minister who goes along with that is not fit for purpose, as they are duty bound to defend the borders and inhabitants who they are responsible to. It is a no brainer - it will not be allowed to happen.

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I have yet to here any vision from any of the leave groups.


me neither :wink:

Maybe that's what the deep south said about Black voters, or the Afrikaans said about Black South Africans.

The vision is doing what we damn well like without asking/begging main-land Europeans first.

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Still nothing of substance from any of the out groups. Do any of them have any workable ideas?

Well if you regard substance as saying time and time again 'the end of the world is nigh' from the remains, then I'm not surprised you haven't seen anything like that from the leaves.

Is it really asking too much for us to actually decide for ourselves what's best?

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Most recessions that I can remember have been pretty much global recessions and not just European recessions.


I think that a man who has seen it from the inside might disagree with you on that one.


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