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EU - Remain or Leave?
Remain in the EU 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Leave the EU 72%  72%  [ 31 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:55 am 
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Until we are out we can never know just how best to control our borders sucessfully.

I take it that this is just your view. Because if that is the official view of any of the out groups then they are fecked. You can't expect people to vote for something that hasn't even been looked into.


It is my and the view of many others, we cannot give a precise answer until we are given a freehand in our own affairs but a Brexit offers hope of change, real democratic change and with it bring a momentum to drive us forwards and upwards with fresh invigoration and a will to better our nation and secure and protect our borders.

Brexit certainly beats your ideals of staying manacled to the EU or being dictated to by the EU or of being overrun by 10s of millions of Migrants from within the EU and beyond or worse still enduring the everlasting staleness and stench of it's internal corruption.

It'll all be made worse as we see Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Macedonia and Turkey Join the EU....we'll be paying through the nose then to subsidise the Oh so bloody wonderful EU when that lot comes in...some 200 Million extra citizens to sponsor and pay for from these basket case countries and every man jack of them hell bent on leaving their Homelands to come and settle In the UK and other wealthier western European countries, It'll be akin to everyone running to one side of the ship to see the excitement just to have the ship capsize due to their efforts.

The EU is Nightmare Experiment going bad faster than a Banana in a Bowl of apples...The EU is germinating the seeds of Armageddon.

All this could be avoided if the EU stopped interfering and stopped encouraging an open bordered free for all Europe...though how the EU Considers Turkey (An Asian or at best a Eurasion country) is entitled to Join the European union is beyond me.

Wake up Grandad...your not seeing past the end of your EU nose. You must look further ahead, only then will you see why voting for a Brexit is your only hope.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:10 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
grandad wrote:
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Until we are out we can never know just how best to control our borders sucessfully.

I take it that this is just your view. Because if that is the official view of any of the out groups then they are fecked. You can't expect people to vote for something that hasn't even been looked into.


It is my and the view of many others, we cannot give a precise answer until we are given a freehand in our own affairs but a Brexit offers hope of change, real democratic change and with it bring a momentum to drive us forwards and upwards with fresh invigoration and a will to better our nation and secure and protect our borders.



Hope of change!!! Is that the best you can offer. What happens if we leave and the line changes from well we hoped that we could do this and that but it turns out that we can't, Sorry but it looks like we will be worse off than we were when we had a voice in Europe.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:06 pm 
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Sorry but it looks like we will be worse off than we were when we had a voice in Europe.


It would appear that you are totally ignoring ( as already mentioned) the regular recessions, and the astronomical debt that we have built up since joining the EU - it has been a catastrophe. Face facts, numerous countries within the EU are on the verge of collapse ( it will happen) (all gone very quiet on that one at the mo, but still there), the monetary problems will be enhanced by taking on other 3rd world countries, queuing up to get in. It is all a matter of time before another Iron curtain styled wall falls down,and the satellite states are left to fend for themselves after Europe has been pillaged from within. You are being burgled and you cannot/will not see it.

It is also interesting that most of the sites that I go on, are getting a very (keyboard) vociferous out vote.......it leaves me wondering as to how they/them are going to manipulate the vote. It will probably be the fear tactic of (You will lose your job), unfortunately by voting to stay in, that will happen in any event!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:44 pm 
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Hope of change!!! Is that the best you can offer. What happens if we leave and the line changes from well we hoped that we could do this and that but it turns out that we can't, Sorry but it looks like we will be worse off than we were when we had a voice in Europe.


It may involve a tiny bit of short term pain but well worth it for the long term gain.

What voice in Europe would that be, they just dictate terms,they never listen, Merkel rules the roost and we have already marginalised what little pipsqueak bit of a voice we had.

All the EU wants of Britain is our money...end of.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:48 pm 
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Sorry but it looks like we will be worse off than we were when we had a voice in Europe.


It would appear that you are totally ignoring ( as already mentioned) the regular recessions, and the astronomical debt that we have built up since joining the EU - it has been a catastrophe. Face facts, numerous countries within the EU are on the verge of collapse ( it will happen) (all gone very quiet on that one at the mo, but still there), the monetary problems will be enhanced by taking on other 3rd world countries, queuing up to get in. It is all a matter of time before another Iron curtain styled wall falls down,and the satellite states are left to fend for themselves after Europe has been pillaged from within. You are being burgled and you cannot/will not see it.

It is also interesting that most of the sites that I go on, are getting a very (keyboard) vociferous out vote.......it leaves me wondering as to how they/them are going to manipulate the vote. It will probably be the fear tactic of (You will lose your job), unfortunately by voting to stay in, that will happen in any event!!!



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:50 pm 
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Hope of change!!! Is that the best you can offer. What happens if we leave and the line changes from well we hoped that we could do this and that but it turns out that we can't, Sorry but it looks like we will be worse off than we were when we had a voice in Europe.


What voice in Europe would that be, they just dictate terms,they never listen, Merkel rules the roost and we have already marginalised what little pipsqueak bit of a voice we had.

All the EU wants of Britain is our money...end of.

Your lot have still to tell us what they will do. Until they have any policy they are offering nothing. Come on lets have some substance.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:20 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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Hope of change!!! Is that the best you can offer. What happens if we leave and the line changes from well we hoped that we could do this and that but it turns out that we can't, Sorry but it looks like we will be worse off than we were when we had a voice in Europe.


What voice in Europe would that be, they just dictate terms,they never listen, Merkel rules the roost and we have already marginalised what little pipsqueak bit of a voice we had.

All the EU wants of Britain is our money...end of.

Your lot have still to tell us what they will do. Until they have any policy they are offering nothing. Come on lets have some substance.


We will Leave the EU, take back control of our own affairs, rebuild our parliamentary democracy and go onwards from their...geeze what part the meaning of Brexit are you struggling with.

Hell, even the EU can't see any further than today....can you explain to me exactly what the EU intends doing?...no, because they change their thinking by the day, they are in complete disarray and other than some vague idea about creating some kind of European federal superstate they have absolutely no idea of where they are going or what policy will get them there.

Man, that shower of EU freeloaders can't even agree on how ro resolve the migrant crisis..

Sorry the EU do have some Plans of mega importance in the Pipeline...one is to to reduce the wattage a kettle can use to boil water in a more eco friendly way even if it uses more electricity because it takes longer to boil, and they also want to ban Heating and cooking by means of Gas in order to save the planet.

The EU is a place run by the greedy at the expense of the needy and extolled by those who are scared of change.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:26 pm 
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We will Leave the EU, take back control of our own affairs, rebuild our parliamentary democracy and go onwards from their.

Is that the Britex manifesto?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:53 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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We will Leave the EU, take back control of our own affairs, rebuild our parliamentary democracy and go onwards from their.

Is that the Britex manifesto?


Well..it's no less precise than your EU manifesto.

Brexit is not a political party so it has no manifesto, It is only an alternative to staying in the EU..every single Brexiter will have their own reasons at to why they wish to leave the EU, this is the Exact opposite of those who may vote to stay in, their Manifesto is based on EU scaremongering and a unifying fear of fear itself.


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Get your Brexit stickers http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vote-BREXIT-N ... SwQYZWzx3g

I've ordered two 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


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grandad wrote:
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We will Leave the EU, take back control of our own affairs, rebuild our parliamentary democracy and go onwards from their.

Is that the Britex manifesto?


It's got to be better than Cameron's bullying tactics.


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All of those who are thinking of voting to stay because of the threat of losing their jobs ought to wake up!

If we do stay (god forbid), then the market will be flooded with people who will be happy to work for the minimum wage. In effect mass redundancies and dismissals will not be out of the question.....watch this space - Chinese & India style wages to be the norm.

This is how bad the world situation is; Mark Carney has/had been predicting "Interest rate rises"year in, year out. On every occassion I said BS, (simples on that one). The bottom line being, it is now being said that the earliest that the rates will rise will not be until the end of the decade! Another way of saying......they do not know, and that will make it 12 years that we will have been in the poop. As I said some time back "This is not a recession - this is the way that we now live".

These people have got everything into such a mess that they do not know which way to turn, well that might seem to be the case, but is it?

If you have as much money as you want (and many of these politicians are extremely wealthy), then low/zero Interest rates really do not matter (to them) Or big business, who must be lapping it up. Interest rates are only a tool to wrest money off of people/ companies, if they find other ways i.e low wages, then interest rates are not really that important.

To my way of thinking; this is a form of European communism - We have surveillance that the Stasi/Russian secret police would be proud of, a police force that are TOLD who they can prosecute - Or not is the case, rights at work at rock bottom, people in constant fear of their jobs whilst TT's lot look the other way, and then there are the populations who are totally suppressed, without many realising it.

To have any chance of democracy/return to some form of normality - it has to be out. The carrot that we can walk in and out of each others country is too high a price to pay, and just not good enough.

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Some one some where must realise we live in a society where the working man is now just a commodity to be sold to the lowest bidder,all this talk of whether to stay in or leave the EU is just a smoke screen,job losses on a huge scale are happening today which have nothing to do with EU debate,driver-less HGV.s are proposing to do away with truck drivers,workers are loosing their means of earning a living hand over fist in the N.E.England with some of the largest companies threatening to pay people off ,if this is happening up there it must be happening elsewhere,Politicians of all parties will not tell the truth about anything in case it
threatens the gravy chain they are on(constantly milking the taxpayer).

Regardless of the outcome of this EU debate exercise it will be no different for us the taxpayer who funds their (politicians) non cost life style to themselves,claim every penny they spend,get away with telling lies without being brought to task.


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how are these driverless cars guided, cos if they are reliant on cellphone coverage im keeping well clear

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how are these driverless cars guided, cos if they are reliant on cellphone coverage im keeping well clear


The truth is that they are not really driverless, theres a wee illegal migrant that clings to to the underside and who Squeals directions to 3 of his mates concealed in the footwell and they control the vehicle from there all squealing commands to one and other, they use the same 4 Migrant process in Trucks coming in from Calais but always have a Real Tuck driver which they call a PATSY at the controls in the event of an emergency.

They Intend using this hidden Squealer under body Migrant system on the Driverless road trains, but for back up there will be 3 Hidden Drivers Steering every truck in the convoy, Always though a Total of four to each truck as stipulated under EU law.

So Don't worry, should you see a car or truck apparently driving itself then it's not, it's being driven in "Four Squeal Drive" mode


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