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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:12 am 
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o-marek wrote:
sometimes I'm just wondering what kind of hard life you guys must have finding problems in no problems area, trying to complicate your own lives and work which is linked to it... maybe I'm just an ignorant but all above doesn't apply to me and never even asked if I can deliver blood samples (which is a regular job since I remember) or envelope with council's !!! documents... or suitcase between two houses.... why you always trying to find hole in a solid plate? how about food delivery or just shopping? still need to find something making live harder to you and your customers?

We are not trying to find problems, Our Council is putting problems our way.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:28 am 
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Had to deal with this a few years back. Local parcel delivery service tried to make out it was illegal to carry parcels/packages, so legal opinion was taken by Sefton council. If a hackney was to solely pick up and deliver packages then there would be an argument to revoke the licence, but seeing as hackneys mainly carry passengers and only a small amount of work is derived from delivering parcels then there is no problem. You need to ask your licencing officer which Act is she using as authority to formulate her opinion. As most hackney and ph drivers will know the National Blood Bank uses the taxi and ph trade for the urgent delivery of blood, which is a parcel. Is she saying this must stop? It is always advisable for licencing officers to get legal opinion before they start spouting such piffle.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:01 am 
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Here is the reply from my council.


RE: Carriage of goods in a Hackney Carriage


Hello XXXXX
The Town Police Clauses Act 1847 states:
sec. 37, Hackney carriages to be licensed:

The commissioners may from time to time licence to ply for hire within the prescribed distance, or if no distance is prescribed, within five miles from the General Post Office of the city, town, or place to which the special Act refers, (which in that case shall be deemed the prescribed distance,) [F1such number of]hackney coaches or carriages of any kind or description adapted to the carriage of persons [F1as they think fit]”
I have looked further into the Private Hire use for goods, however, under the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976, the definition of a Private Hire Vehicle states :
Sec. 80, Interpretation of Part II:
“private hire vehicle” means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat [F4fewer than nine passengers], other than a hackney carriage or public service vehicle [F5or a London cab][F6or tramcar], which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers;”
I believe that section 75 of the 1976 act relates to exemptions for private hire vehicles as it states in full:
(1) Nothing in this Part of this Act shall—
(a) apply to a vehicle used for bringing passengers or goods within a controlled district in pursuance of a contract for the hire of the vehicle made outside the district if the vehicle is not made available for hire within the district
I hope that the above information assists you and should you wish to discuss this matter further then please do not hesitate to contact me.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:03 am 
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My reply to the Council.
Dear XXXX,
Thank you for your prompt reply.
I do not see any point in discussing the matter further because you are not going to change your opinion or seek a legal opinion on this so we will just have to disagree on this and wait until the Council decides to prosecute a driver or company and let a court decide.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:27 am 
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Grandad, Send her another email stating that you and other members of your association in your area have contacts with the National Blood Bank for the urgent delivery of blood, which is a parcel. Will she confirm that delivering these parcels must cease as the drivers will be committing an offence. A yes or no answer will suffice.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:37 am 
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MR T wrote:
Grandad, Send her another email stating that you and other members of your association in your area have contacts with the National Blood Bank for the urgent delivery of blood, which is a parcel. Will she confirm that delivering these parcels must cease as the drivers will be committing an offence. A yes or no answer will suffice.


I like it bang on the money =D> =D> =D> how about an annonymous letter in the local PRESS give a few Tory vermin some headaches :wink: :wink:

And why not get the New Cllr the Labour man onside he could make loads of agg over this sh!t :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:42 am 
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MR T wrote:
Grandad, Send her another email stating that you and other members of your association in your area have contacts with the National Blood Bank for the urgent delivery of blood, which is a parcel. Will she confirm that delivering these parcels must cease as the drivers will be committing an offence. A yes or no answer will suffice.


I like it bang on the money =D> =D> =D> how about an annonymous letter in the local PRESS give a few Tory vermin some headaches :wink: :wink:

And why not get the New Cllr the Labour man onside he could make loads of agg over this sh!t :badgrin:

One step at a time..

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:46 am 
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37 Commissioners may licence hackney carriages And with respect to hackney carriages, be it enacted as follows: The commissioners may from time to time licence to ply for hire within the prescribed distance, or if no distance is prescribed, within five miles from the General Post Office of the city, town, or place to which the special Act refers, (which in that case shall be deemed the prescribed distance,) such number of hackney coaches or carriages of any kind or description adapted to the carriage of persons as they think fit. Modification Modified, in relation to hackney carriages, by the Transport Act 1985, s 16.


What's that got to do with parcels ??



http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/tpca1847.pdf

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 11:57 am 
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Isn't there a bit in the act about lost property and how much can be charged to take it back or to the local police station? I can't seem to find it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 12:12 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Isn't there a bit in the act about lost property and how much can be charged to take it back or to the local police station? I can't seem to find it.

law of the land..

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:48 pm 
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Grandad,

Section 68,1847 Act. is what you are looking for in regard to returning goods.

Please note it mentions conduct of proprietors and drivers in their several employments.

Carrying a person is an employment,carrying a parcel is an employment.

Section 53.Refusing a hire,does not imply that the hirer has to travel in the carriage,if I wished to hire your carriage to take a parcel to a premises on the boundary of the prescribed distance in my view you will commit an offence if you refuse to do so.


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:57 pm 
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68 Byelaws for regulating hackney carriages The commissioners may from time to time (subject to the restrictions of this and the special Act) make byelaws for all or any of the purposes following; (that is to say,) For regulating the conduct of the proprietors and drivers of hackney carriages plying within the prescribed distance in their several employments, and determining whether such drivers shall wear any and what badges, and for regulating the hours within which they may exercise their calling: For regulating the manner in which the number of each carriage, corresponding with the number of its licence, shall be displayed:

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 2:06 pm 
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Put the last portion of Section 68 on,"and fixing charges to be made in respect thereof".


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 2:19 pm 
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I have been informed that the returning of lost property is not the same as the carriage of goods. She is adamant that she is right and the rest of you and your Councils who allow this, are wrong.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:30 pm 
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I have been informed that the returning of lost property is not the same as the carriage of goods. She is adamant that she is right and the rest of you and your Councils who allow this, are wrong.


Another version of pass the parcel :roll:

As a side thought and a possible way around it! What if the person who wanted the package/parcel delivered got into the cab, and then 10/20/30 yards down the road said I have got to go back - with the instruction of.......can you carry on to where I said, and deliver the goods as they are the lost property of xxxxx company. The scenario being is that you were carrying a passenger - and you were returning lost property as far as you know.

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