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EU - Remain or Leave?
Remain in the EU 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Leave the EU 72%  72%  [ 31 ]
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 12:25 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
The passport system worked well for decades - security depended/depends on it. To open the borders is complete madness, similar to opening every jail in the country.....and it is all going to be roses :roll: Well! on the coffins of those that will pay for it with their lives because of it - and that will happen.....all in the cause of an (apparent) monetary gain #-o

The passport system is still in use in the UK. It will continue to be in use after the referendum regardless of which way it goes. Neither the "ins" or the "outs" will be looking to change that position.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:08 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:
The passport system worked well for decades - security depended/depends on it. To open the borders is complete madness, similar to opening every jail in the country.....and it is all going to be roses :roll: Well! on the coffins of those that will pay for it with their lives because of it - and that will happen.....all in the cause of an (apparent) monetary gain #-o

The passport system is still in use in the UK. It will continue to be in use after the referendum regardless of which way it goes. Neither the "ins" or the "outs" will be looking to change that position.


What I was trying to say was you could/cannot just walk in and stay - as is proposed by the in mob.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:29 pm 
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this is not as cut and dried as you think we are one of the most affected parts of the uk economy so would be more likely to be against but in many other areas of the economy less affected people are more likely to vote remain especially as leaving could create job uncertainty

I am not sure that it will make any difference to my business whether we stay in or leave.

A bit short sighted.. #-o

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 4:33 pm 
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The passport system worked well for decades - security depended/depends on it. To open the borders is complete madness, similar to opening every jail in the country.....and it is all going to be roses :roll: Well! on the coffins of those that will pay for it with their lives because of it - and that will happen.....all in the cause of an (apparent) monetary gain #-o

The passport system is still in use in the UK. It will continue to be in use after the referendum regardless of which way it goes. Neither the "ins" or the "outs" will be looking to change that position.


What I was trying to say was you could/cannot just walk in and stay - as is proposed by the in mob.

Is that proposed? I am fairly certain that the "in mob" have not proposed to make any changes. That is the purpose of staying in. :?

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 9:25 pm 
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Whichever way that you put it, it is a fact that the Conservatives have renaged on their election promise to stop this madness of allowing anyone/everyone from the EU to come and stay - That is NOT passport control as we used to know. The words used to be "Are you here for business or pleasure", in other words there was a time limit on staying - there is no reason apart from greed (monetary) not to have proper control.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 9:46 pm 
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Of course even if the out lot win, there is no guarantee that any government will, or can take any action whatsoever on our borders.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 9:50 pm 
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MR T wrote:
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edders23 wrote:
this is not as cut and dried as you think we are one of the most affected parts of the uk economy so would be more likely to be against but in many other areas of the economy less affected people are more likely to vote remain especially as leaving could create job uncertainty

I am not sure that it will make any difference to my business whether we stay in or leave.

A bit short sighted.. #-o

Why is it? Edders stated that "we are one of the most affected parts of the uk economy". Almost all of our company's work is either home to school transport or local people going out or home or people going to weddings or other family functions. How will this change after the referendum whether we stay or go?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:21 pm 
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This what the "Ins" will actually be voting for, as they look for the (apparent) monetary benefit instead of quality of life! More to come, as the animals are let in.................

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... man-music/

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:53 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
This what the "Ins" will actually be voting for, as they look for the (apparent) monetary benefit instead of quality of life! More to come, as the animals are let in.................

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... man-music/


The ins AKA Cameron and Osbourne are protecting their jobs within the EU when they get booted out of Government. They'll be on the EU gravy train being ordered about by people who haven't been voted in.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:30 am 
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My grandson had a trampoline accident and had to go to the University Hospital of Wales A&E section! He waited for 5 hours on a Wednesday (a bit of a nothing day in terms of what is happening in the City) to get 6 stitches put into his mouth. My daughter (his mother) said that it was absolutely heaving at the time that she left at 20.30 hrs.

It brings it further home to me that as we are not building hospitals on a grand scale anymore, (so for all of the ins), just how long do you think that it is reasonable for school children to wait for medical attention? and then when they open the borders, (if you win), and the millions flood in, how are your families going to get the medical attention that they might need - with even longer queues?

I cannot understand the mentality that puts money before health/well being.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:24 am 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
My grandson had a trampoline accident and had to go to the University Hospital of Wales A&E section! He waited for 5 hours on a Wednesday (a bit of a nothing day in terms of what is happening in the City) to get 6 stitches put into his mouth. My daughter (his mother) said that it was absolutely heaving at the time that she left at 20.30 hrs.

It brings it further home to me that as we are not building hospitals on a grand scale anymore, (so for all of the ins), just how long do you think that it is reasonable for school children to wait for medical attention? and then when they open the borders, (if you win), and the millions flood in, how are your families going to get the medical attention that they might need - with even longer queues?

I cannot understand the mentality that puts money before health/well being.

Do you honestly thing that a leave vote will mean the building of loads of new hospitals? Who is going to staff all these fine new hospitals if we close our borders and don't allow overseas doctors and nurses to come here? Your rose tinted spectacles could do with a clean.

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grandad wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:
My grandson had a trampoline accident and had to go to the University Hospital of Wales A&E section! He waited for 5 hours on a Wednesday (a bit of a nothing day in terms of what is happening in the City) to get 6 stitches put into his mouth. My daughter (his mother) said that it was absolutely heaving at the time that she left at 20.30 hrs.

It brings it further home to me that as we are not building hospitals on a grand scale anymore, (so for all of the ins), just how long do you think that it is reasonable for school children to wait for medical attention? and then when they open the borders, (if you win), and the millions flood in, how are your families going to get the medical attention that they might need - with even longer queues?

I cannot understand the mentality that puts money before health/well being.

Do you honestly thing that a leave vote will mean the building of loads of new hospitals? Who is going to staff all these fine new hospitals if we close our borders and don't allow overseas doctors and nurses to come here? Your rose tinted spectacles could do with a clean.


No Rose tinted glasses over here. I am thinking that we are in a mess big time whether we stay or go! If we stay it will get worse, whereas if we leave we will still have pain but with a chance of getting better. The hospital situation will get worse if the "ins" win, as the UK will without doubt suffer a massive influx - as opposed to controlling who and how many come in. It is simple maths at the end of the day! If say 50 people are in a Wetherspoons with door staff governing the numbers then you will find it relatively easy to get served - take away the door staff and let in uncontrolled numbers, then you are talking about a totally different ball game.

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cabby john wrote:

No Rose tinted glasses over here. I am thinking that we are in a mess big time whether we stay or go! If we stay it will get worse, whereas if we leave we will still have pain but with a chance of getting better. The hospital situation will get worse if the "ins" win, as the UK will without doubt suffer a massive influx - as opposed to controlling who and how many come in. It is simple maths at the end of the day! If say 50 people are in a Wetherspoons with door staff governing the numbers then you will find it relatively easy to get served - take away the door staff and let in uncontrolled numbers, then you are talking about a totally different ball game.

You are assuming that even if we vote to leave that the Government of the day will actually change things. This is a referendum on staying or leaving. It is not a vote to change the Government. There is no guarantee that any future Government will change the things that the leave campaigns want.

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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:

No Rose tinted glasses over here. I am thinking that we are in a mess big time whether we stay or go! If we stay it will get worse, whereas if we leave we will still have pain but with a chance of getting better. The hospital situation will get worse if the "ins" win, as the UK will without doubt suffer a massive influx - as opposed to controlling who and how many come in. It is simple maths at the end of the day! If say 50 people are in a Wetherspoons with door staff governing the numbers then you will find it relatively easy to get served - take away the door staff and let in uncontrolled numbers, then you are talking about a totally different ball game.

You are assuming that even if we vote to leave that the Government of the day will actually change things. This is a referendum on staying or leaving. It is not a vote to change the Government. There is no guarantee that any future Government will change the things that the leave campaigns want.


I am assuming nothing as I do not trust the majority of the political parties. Tbh this vote to me is more about getting back to basics ie border control, the rest of the problems then have a chance of being sorted within present population confines. If you keep on letting in unrestricted numbers into any situation, then it is a recipe for disaster.

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cabby john wrote:
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cabby john wrote:

No Rose tinted glasses over here. I am thinking that we are in a mess big time whether we stay or go! If we stay it will get worse, whereas if we leave we will still have pain but with a chance of getting better. The hospital situation will get worse if the "ins" win, as the UK will without doubt suffer a massive influx - as opposed to controlling who and how many come in. It is simple maths at the end of the day! If say 50 people are in a Wetherspoons with door staff governing the numbers then you will find it relatively easy to get served - take away the door staff and let in uncontrolled numbers, then you are talking about a totally different ball game.

You are assuming that even if we vote to leave that the Government of the day will actually change things. This is a referendum on staying or leaving. It is not a vote to change the Government. There is no guarantee that any future Government will change the things that the leave campaigns want.


I am assuming nothing as I do not trust the majority of the political parties. Tbh this vote to me is more about getting back to basics ie border control, the rest of the problems then have a chance of being sorted within present population confines. If you keep on letting in unrestricted numbers into any situation, then it is a recipe for disaster.

For pity's sake. Which party has said they will change the border controls to what you want.

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