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EU - Remain or Leave?
Remain in the EU 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Leave the EU 72%  72%  [ 31 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:03 pm 
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For pity's sake. Which party has said they will change the border controls to what you want.[/quote]

Try to stay up to speed! The whole point of the referendum is that WE as a nation can control who comes in. At the moment Brussels dictates by going for their freedom of movement that allows any amount of EU citizens to enter the UK (have you been in a coma). UK is is one party that has recognised that situation and want to regain border control - I cannot believe that you asked the question.......are you winding me up :?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:08 pm 
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No Rose tinted glasses over here. I am thinking that we are in a mess big time whether we stay or go! If we stay it will get worse, whereas if we leave we will still have pain but with a chance of getting better. The hospital situation will get worse if the "ins" win, as the UK will without doubt suffer a massive influx - as opposed to controlling who and how many come in. It is simple maths at the end of the day! If say 50 people are in a Wetherspoons with door staff governing the numbers then you will find it relatively easy to get served - take away the door staff and let in uncontrolled numbers, then you are talking about a totally different ball game.


We'd be wise to climb out of the Brussels drain and leave the EU sewer to the rats that like to infest the place and who seek to feast on their own federal excrement.


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It also seems to have escaped the attention of many.....EU debt! At the moment they are bailing out Greece right left and center, no doubt to be followed by Spain,Portugal and France. On top of that they have a queue of third world countries wanting to join - because the EU WANT to give them loads of money. We are part of that bail out system, (our money) is being used for the aforementioned purpose, so I ask you this.......How long do you think that we as a Nation that is in serious debt/not paying its own way, keep on helping to bail out others.

Another train of thought.

Would you as a businessman buy into a bankrupt unaudited company, where nobody knows what the employees do, along with the fact that the employees help themselves to serious amounts of money + massive unaudited expenses? because that is what these third world countries are in affect trying to do.........it is corrupt beyond belief.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:10 pm 
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For pity's sake. Which party has said they will change the border controls to what you want.[/quote]

Try to stay up to speed! The whole point of the referendum is that WE as a nation can control who comes in. At the moment Brussels dictates by going for their freedom of movement that allows any amount of EU citizens to enter the UK (have you been in a coma). UK is is one party that has recognised that situation and want to regain border control - I cannot believe that you asked the question.......are you winding me up :?[/quote]
You need to stay up to speed. The referendum is not about who comes in and who doesn't. That may be what you want it to be about, that may be what some of the britex people want it to be about, but quite simply that is not what it is actually about. Remember any exit is still going to need negotiation. The Country will not be able to just shut up shop as you seem to think it can. There are international laws on refugees that supersede even the EU.

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The referendum is not about who comes in and who doesn't. That may be what you want it to be about,


I think that you need to read a post or two back to see that I am fully aware, that it is not just about immigration - that is something that you never answered!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:50 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
this vote to me is more about getting back to basics ie border control,

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The whole point of the referendum is that WE as a nation can control who comes in.

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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
this vote to me is more about getting back to basics ie border control,

cabby john wrote:
The whole point of the referendum is that WE as a nation can control who comes in.


Know then grandad your just picking bits out of what he said, I for one think he talks a lot of sense,we all know it's not just about immigration, it's about being able to get a child in to school,it's about getting a doctors appointment,it's about keeping the NHS, because if we stay in I'm pretty sure there will be no more NHS, it won't be able to carry on treating the EU.if we're worse of out of the EU then so be it.


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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
this vote to me is more about getting back to basics ie border control,

cabby john wrote:
The whole point of the referendum is that WE as a nation can control who comes in.


Try this instead.....................

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Another train of thought.

Would you as a businessman buy into a bankrupt unaudited company, where nobody knows what the employees do, along with the fact that the employees help themselves to serious amounts of money + massive unaudited expenses? because that is what these third world countries are in affect trying to do.........it is corrupt beyond belief.

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To me it's two things.

1. The lack of democracy in the EU and the fact that we can't make all our laws in our country.

2. The suppression of UK wages by Eastern Europeans, aided and abetted by spivs only too pleased to have an endless supply of cheap labour.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:16 pm 
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To me it's two things.

1. The lack of democracy in the EU and the fact that we can't make all our laws in our country.

2. The suppression of UK wages by Eastern Europeans, aided and abetted by spivs only too pleased to have an endless supply of cheap labour.

By cheap do you mean below the legal minimum wage?

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It also seems to have escaped the attention of many.....EU debt! At the moment they are bailing out Greece right left and center, no doubt to be followed by Spain,Portugal and France. On top of that they have a queue of third world countries wanting to join - because the EU WANT to give them loads of money. We are part of that bail out system, (our money) is being used for the aforementioned purpose, so I ask you this.......How long do you think that we as a Nation that is in serious debt/not paying its own way, keep on helping to bail out others.

Another train of thought.

Would you as a businessman buy into a bankrupt unaudited company, where nobody knows what the employees do, along with the fact that the employees help themselves to serious amounts of money + massive unaudited expenses? because that is what these third world countries are in affect trying to do.........it is corrupt beyond belief.


Which is why they all Fiddle and better Fiddle as the EU burns, the more the members the more the confusion and the easier it is to pilfer funds...small wonder then that our greedy Bremainer MP's are so keen to keep this trough to hand...it's not about bettering your or my financial security and all about bettering their own while leaving, you, me and our future generations to pay for it until hell freezes over and that'll just be the interest on the debt and not the repayment of the debt itself...

Don't be so gullible, vote out.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:35 am 
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The one thing that concerns me is if we leave and that causes a mini recession we will be the first to suffer

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The one thing that concerns me is if we leave and that causes a mini recession we will be the first to suffer


No gain without pain as they say! At the moment the country is being pillaged to death by greedy politicians and Brussels - the rich/poor divide is larger than ever. By voting get out we can get rid of one of the leeches. It will give inspiration to a lot of people who will possibly switch their vote to UKIP as they are the only party who are fighting the corner of the everyday man/woman. They are not perfect, but are more for the likes of you and me than any of the others who are self serving. This in many respects is a chance to change the political landscape and to change your life.

As a matter of interest some info re your concern over a mini recession - we have had more recessions since we we joined the EEC/EU than we ever did before - check it out.

By voting in you will be voting to say goodbye to the UK as you and I know it - it will be turned into a similar European Soviet Bloc.....and we all know as to how that ended......Bankrupt.

Personally if their is a bit of pain to come ie a recession.....then I would take it,as it is not permanent - the EU financial suppression will be.

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edders23 wrote:
The one thing that concerns me is if we leave and that causes a mini recession we will be the first to suffer


Just like a plane leaving an Aircraft carrier it'll dip slightly just before It soars into the Bright blue Yonder...Extract from "Biggles and Algy shafts the EU Fokkers"


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edders23 wrote:
The one thing that concerns me is if we leave and that causes a mini recession we will be the first to suffer


Just like a plane leaving an Aircraft carrier it'll dip slightly just before It soars into the Bright blue Yonder...Extract from "Biggles and Algy shafts the EU Fokkers"

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