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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:30 am 
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Why?


the license is taken for good reason


What good reason is that that is not resolved by them obtaining a second or third licence for a second or third operator?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:54 am 
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What good reason is that that is not resolved by them obtaining a second or third licence for a second or third operator?


theft, damage of vehicle?

two good reasons

a driver, even an owner driver isn't an operator - and despite the calls of surfs and whatever else, drivers can be and often are c*nts, the operator should be responsible for the actions of those under his control - it cannot be under the control of many imo.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:52 am 
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captain cab wrote:
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What good reason is that that is not resolved by them obtaining a second or third licence for a second or third operator?


theft, damage of vehicle?

two good reasons

a driver, even an owner driver isn't an operator - and despite the calls of surfs and whatever else, drivers can be and often are c*nts, the operator should be responsible for the actions of those under his control - it cannot be under the control of many imo.

In effect what you are saying is that a self employed owner driver can only obtain work from one operator. If this is the case how can that driver satisfy the self employed criteria?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:09 am 
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In effect what you are saying is that a self employed owner driver can only obtain work from one operator. If this is the case how can that driver satisfy the self employed criteria?


He owns his own vehicle and is responsible for maintenance and his own licensing arrangements, his own insurance and revenue contributions - he merely hires a radio or data unit - he cannot accept his own work as he isn't an operator - he can end the arrangement he has with the operator anytime he wishes - working for numerous operators creates anarchy

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:12 am 
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doesn't an operator have to retain the drivers license?

Nope, just a copy.

It's hackney owners that have to keep the driver's licenses of their jockeys.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:12 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
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What good reason is that that is not resolved by them obtaining a second or third licence for a second or third operator?


theft, damage of vehicle?

two good reasons

a driver, even an owner driver isn't an operator - and despite the calls of surfs and whatever else, drivers can be and often are c*nts, the operator should be responsible for the actions of those under his control - it cannot be under the control of many imo.


The operator would only be responsible for drivers whilst they are logged on their systems, it doesn't matter how many operators they work for. It also matters not whom, in your opinion, are c***s :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:29 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
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Why?


the license is taken for good reason

But it's not taken, the act says only a record or something like that needs to be kept.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:37 pm 
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Once the vehicle is put on a circuit surely the Operator has control of that vehicle(responsibility) 24/7, there for any Operator worth his salt is going to ensure it is only working for that one operator.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:58 pm 
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Once the vehicle is put on a circuit surely the Operator has control of that vehicle(responsibility) 24/7, there for any Operator worth his salt is going to ensure it is only working for that one operator.

How can that work if it is an owner driver? Being self employed means that you can accept work from others as well. If a circuit owner wants total control he should buy the vehicle and EMPLOY the driver. IMHO.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:45 pm 
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grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:
Once the vehicle is put on a circuit surely the Operator has control of that vehicle(responsibility) 24/7, there for any Operator worth his salt is going to ensure it is only working for that one operator.

How can that work if it is an owner driver? Being self employed means that you can accept work from others as well. If a circuit owner wants total control he should buy the vehicle and EMPLOY the driver. IMHO.


How it works is most Ph operators are little tin gods who want to have their cake and eat it and it's very difficult to stand up to them because amongst your colleagues there are lots willing to provide the bullets but if you stick your head above the parapet it gets shot off and all the people you thought would support you vanish into thin air.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:27 am 
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Once the vehicle is put on a circuit surely the Operator has control of that vehicle(responsibility) 24/7, there for any Operator worth his salt is going to ensure it is only working for that one operator.

No.

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