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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:06 am 
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Deks wrote:
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below is what Canterbury city council laughable class as full audited accounts for the taxi licensing dept


2012/13 Actuals 2011/12 Actuals 2010/11 Actuals

Expenditure 174,577 76,852 73,703
Income (157,017) (144,650) (144,624)
Total 17,561 67,797 70,921



I kid you not this is what i got back when I asked for 3 years copies of full audited accounts for the taxi dept







when I questioned it the reply was this is all we have to show and all we keep
we do operate the taxi license dept separate from neighbourhood services there fore we cannot break the figure down
as its part of a bigger dept.



Well from the figures above they can't even add up, and in 2011/12 and 2010/11 they made a huge profit and why is there a huge increase in expenditure in 2012/13 ? And where's 2014, 2015,



these are the figures I asked for back in 2014 when i first started on this road. I stopped 2 years ago because the ombudsman found in favour of the council. I recently learnt they usually do. I had to concentrate on my business more than dealing with council but at a recent meeting the head of neighbourhood services spoke down to us by insisting he knew what was best for us drivers which has incensed me no end so I now intend to pursue this assuming my instincts are correct and what they are doing is wrong..
the breakdown of fees alone is laughable let alone the accounts published


I think your first port of call under the FOI is to ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting when they adopted the 1976 act and a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:47 am 
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mancityfan wrote:

I think your first port of call under the FOI is to ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting when they adopted the 1976 act and a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper.


thank you just done


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:40 pm 
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mancityfan wrote:

I think your first port of call under the FOI is to ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting when they adopted the 1976 act and a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper.

I got a copy of the minutes from our Council but they could not produce anything about the advert. I did check the local newspaper archive for the 6 months prior to the minutes and 6 months after the minutes but I could not find any notices. I haven't got round to checking the parish records for any letters to notify them of the adoption of the act. I can save that for a rainy day now that our fees are being reduced to more reasonable levels.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:49 pm 
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http://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/moderngov/d ... %20l-f.pdf


http://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/moderngov/i ... =8498&x=1&

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:38 pm 
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MR T wrote:
http://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s72266/FD%204563%20-%20LR%2020%20March%20-%20New%20taxi%20fees%20-%20l-f.pdf


http://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/moderngov/i ... =8498&x=1&


So there not putting it in the local paper then.

1.2 Section 70 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 requires the Council to publish in the local press any changes to fees in relation to the granting of vehicle and operator licences only. The new fees will be placed on the Council website and placed in the OSS’s


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:43 pm 
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grandad wrote:
mancityfan wrote:

I think your first port of call under the FOI is to ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting when they adopted the 1976 act and a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper.

I got a copy of the minutes from our Council but they could not produce anything about the advert. I did check the local newspaper archive for the 6 months prior to the minutes and 6 months after the minutes but I could not find any notices. I haven't got round to checking the parish records for any letters to notify them of the adoption of the act. I can save that for a rainy day now that our fees are being reduced to more reasonable levels.


Lots of councils did not adopt the act correctly, it had to be passed at committee and put in the local paper, lots did not put it in the paper, so in effect can't charge or licence anything, and in any court case will have to prove they did, so it's in there interest to have this information.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:22 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
typical council

your FOI needs to ask alternative questions such as how many minutes work was involved in processing the paperwork

councils are very good at hiding the fact they make money out of fees they are not supposed to


got this back today

Reference: 3884
Title: Processing times for public hire driver and vehicle applications
Date of reply: 29 March 2017

Summary:
Request for a breakdown of time taken to process for taxi licensing applications for both drivers and vehicles

Question 1
Can you supply me with a breakdown of the time taken to process the applications for both drivers and vehicles?

Our response:

New Driver Applications
Time (mins)
Initial contact, e.g. phone call/email
30
Subsequent telephone/letters
30
Application processing
120
Making badge
10
Producing paper licence and associated admin/finance checks
120
Mailings
5
Reception enq/badge issuing
15

Renewal of Existing Driver Applications / New Vehicles etc
Time (mins)
Initial contact, e.g. phone call/email
30
Subsequent telephone/letters
30
Application processing
60
Hackney test (where applicable)
60
Making badge
10
Producing paper licence and associated admin/finance checks
120
Mailings
5
Reception enq/badge issuing
15


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:25 pm 
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note the 60 minutes on a renewal for sitting a hackney test

which incidentally they charge an additional fee when one has to sit it.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:26 pm 
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mancityfan wrote:

I think your first port of call under the FOI is to ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting when they adopted the 1976 act and a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper.


got a copy of the minutes they haven't supplied the advertising details as they state this is in public records and easily accessible thru old publications
"in respect of your request to receive a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper at the time of adoption, please note that copies of historic local newspapers are accessible via the local studies collection of the local library based at The Beaney. As the information you have requested is already accessible via the public domain, this aspect of your request is exempt under Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act – information already reasonably accessible to the applicant by other means."


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:57 pm 
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Deks wrote:
mancityfan wrote:

I think your first port of call under the FOI is to ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting when they adopted the 1976 act and a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper.


got a copy of the minutes they haven't supplied the advertising details as they state this is in public records and easily accessible thru old publications
"in respect of your request to receive a copy of the advert placed in the local newspaper at the time of adoption, please note that copies of historic local newspapers are accessible via the local studies collection of the local library based at The Beaney. As the information you have requested is already accessible via the public domain, this aspect of your request is exempt under Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act – information already reasonably accessible to the applicant by other means."

If you have the date that the act was adopted then yes, you need to trawl through the newspaper archives. When I did it I searched from 6 months prior to the date and 6 months after the date of adoption. I believe that it was supposed to be advertised twice. I never found any. I am keeping this on the back burner for a rainy day.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:22 pm 
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I am asking myself..why you are not looking at the meeting before..as well.........Councils used to be able to advertise by placing a notice in front of the Town hall.....

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:41 am 
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Here you go this should keep em busy for a while feel free to alter it if you want.

Licensing of Hackney Carriages and Private Hire Vehicles, their drivers and Operators.

Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976.
Section 70 - Fees and Charges.


Enquiry submitted under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Information requested from the Council to allow Deks to consider the current scale of fees and charges by reference to the costs chargeable by the Council to the Cost Centre(s) covering the licensing of Taxis.

I ask the Council to provide the following information at the earliest opportunity:-


a) Please provide a copy of any report submitted by Licensing officers to the Head of Function or any Council body to request authority to implement the most recently revised scale of fees.

b) Please provide a copy of the financial estimates for the operation of the Taxi Licensing function

c) Please provide details of the number of vehicle licenses, driver licenses and operator licenses the Council envisages issuing in the current year.

d) Please provide a copy of the Job description of each member of staff wholly or partly employed in the carrying out of the vehicle, driver and operator licensing function. For staff not wholly employed on such activity please advise the percentage of time charged to the taxi and non-taxi activity in their job descriptions.

e) Please advise details of the staff and management structure in respect of taxi licensing.

f) Please advise details of staff costs charged directly to the licensing account
NB. I only request details of the posts and the aggregated total annual forecast cost including all Employer’s on-costs.




g) Please provide a copy of the Subjective Cost Centre(s) Budget(s) for taxi licensing activity showing the estimated costs and income for 2015/16 against each relevant nominal ledger code. Please also supply a copy of the year to date outturn to the last available accounting period and any forecast outturn for the current financial year.

h) Please provide details of how recovery of corporate overhead and any other indirect or apportioned charges are calculated for the Taxi Licensing Subjective cost centre(s).

i) Please advise, under the Council’s Constitution and scheme of delegation, which
Cabinet member(s) and Officers have responsibility for the determination of the
Council’s policies and practice in respect of any matters relating to its powers
under the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 and The Local Government
(Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:05 pm 
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I would do them one at a time..

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Our "PH ops licence" is an A4 laminated piece of paper

£70


when youve got 6 cars it becomes £40 (per car)

So why cheaper?.....

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:59 pm 
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MR T wrote:
I would do them one at a time..

Last time that we did this exercise each item was requested by a different driver. =D>

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