Sussex wrote:
But if the Arabs put up fuel prices does it not follow petrol stations, as one, put up theirs prices to take that into acccount.
Surely in this case it’s the cost of labour increasing.
Indeed, but it's the element of collusion that's the problem - basically if businesses get together to distort the market in any way then it's an illegal cartel.
The official government page says:
UK Government wrote:
Price fixing
You must not discuss the prices you’re going to charge your customers with your competitors.
You’ll be breaking the law if you agree with another business:
•to charge the same prices to your customers
•to offer discounts or increase your prices at the same time
•to charge the same fees to intermediaries, eg retailers selling your products
Pretty sure what the firms in Bolton are doing would fall foul of the highlighted part.
And it's not just collusion on pricing that's covered - if, for example, each firm drew up a list of school contracts that each would go for and agree not to compete for them, then that would amount to a cartel, even though pricing was never mentioned. See the bid-rigging section on this page:
https://www.gov.uk/cartels-price-fixing ... e-activityAs regards the 'Arabs' and the price of oil, of course OPEC is another interesting one - I don't think they actually fix prices - what they do is agree to limit production, and that indirectly pushes up prices. So it's a cartel, although it doesn't fix prices, but there's no world wide regulator that can put a stop to these things. Of course, OPEC can't fix prices because it doesn't cover all suppliers, and pricing is decided on worldwide crude oil markets, so they can only use their size and power to reduce production and therefore influence price that way, rather than actually fix prices.
A rough parallel with the cab trade could be if two firms in a town decide to limit the number of cars they take on - this could allow them to keep prices to customers high, so although no price fixing they've distorted the market to keep prices high.
As for petrol stations charging the same prices, that's OK as long as they don't actually agree to charge the same. Because there tends to be few outlets and prices are easy to compare then they tend to charge the same. For example, I think Tesco and Morrisons charge the same (35P and 21p) for the value line sweetcorn and garden peas that I buy.
If you had two cab offices next door to each other and with their prices to the airport in the window then they'd probably charge the same - if one put their prices up then they'd get zero runs basically, because people would simply go next door if they were saving a tenner, say.
So basically I think it's when there's collusion and that distorts the market in any way then that's illegal.
