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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:13 pm 
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Nice of the T&G to highlight these points though, it rather undermines its usual apocalyptic forecasts re de-limitation.

Dusty


I don't quite think Mr Kavanagh knew exactly what he was saying, but it's nice to have my views confirmed by the T&G.

Once I get my free plate, I might even join. :wink:


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Dear Guest,
Please do not place Ferguson and myself in the same paragraph.
I do not follow football.....I am A Man. City supporter. :oops:
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He can't be a dirty red bugger, cos he hasn't got a cockney accent. :D :D


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gedmay wrote:
Dear Guest,
Please do not place Ferguson and myself in the same paragraph.
I do not follow football.....I am A Man. City supporter. :oops:
Ged


Spoken like a true Mancunian...I believe!!

Dusty :)


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gedmay wrote:
Dear Guest,
Please do not place Ferguson and myself in the same paragraph.
I do not follow football.....I am A Man. City supporter. :oops:
Ged


Ged,
I did not put you and fergie in the same paragraph, was just letting you know the score.

nice to know football supporters dont follow city :oops:


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Back to the thread's topic, are the T&G now saying that delimitation doesn't effect drivers earnings?

If so, then perhaps they should be honest, and just say that they are only interested in protecting the 'monopoly premium'.

Which goes against every symbol of socialism.

I very much look forward to the re-naming, to 'New T&G'.


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Yes, you have to laugh at some of their articles in the last year or so, for example, accusing railway operating companies of being greedy and extorting money from drivers.

And one headline I recall went something like 'Paying to rank is outrageous'.

But if you're paying a T&G member to rank, then that's OK??

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Or if you are like Mr Cgull, they don't mind some paying the station to rank, but not him. :?

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But if de-limitation has such little effect on waiting times and the like, then what's this merely highlights what many of us have been saying for years - any increase in cab number can largely be due to jockies getting their own plate, so the amount of cabs actually on the streets at any one time doesn't change.
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BUT the majority of jockied plates are on saloon cars Dusty (I wish I had your name so I could refer to it constantly during my replies). Any new plates would, in most cases, would be for WAV's. It therefore follows that owners of the saloon cars will find new jockies for their saloons when their original jockey is out driving his WAV with his own plates. This also leads to the "premium" being strengthened as owners of expensive WAV's see buying a cheaper saloon vehicle as a way of reducing costs and increasing profits.

This is what I have found in an area which has seen a increase of more than 200% in H/C numbers as well as an increase in P/H vehicles. Some jockies, fair enough, bought a WAV and got their own plates but they were replaced almost immediatly by others, mostly entering the trade. Numbers of vehicles are increasing, on Friday I had a meeting with the local Police, Traffic Wardens and various local authority officials to discuss the matter of congestion around different ranks at different times of the day and night. We simply do not have the provision to accomodate the numbers of cars wishing to work at any time of the day or night, the Police even suggested that "restricted plates" should be issued allowing holders to only work certain ranks or certain times of the day or night, until the redevelopment has been completed and adequate, viable provision is increased.

You see, arguments for some areas to increase numbers are justified, however premiums will ONLY be removed following full deregulation and because some authorities have allowed plates to be transfered knowing that monies have been exchanged for the operating rights, it will be impossible to, in some areas, deregulate fully as the authority would face compensation claims from ALL existing "premium" plateholders to cover the full cost of investment. Maybe this is what should be done, total deregulation of numbers, single tier or whatever termanology you wish to use would offer a level playing field for non-plateholders but surely without payment of compensation to plateholders who have legally, and with the full knowledge of the council, paid for their "work right" the playing field would be stacked in the favour of those wishing to have the oppertunity rather than those who currently do. If, however, an authority DOES NOT allow such transactions NO compensation could be saught, nor could it be saught by a plateholder who recieved the plate from the authority without "premium". Just look at the situation in Brighton where people wait years for a plate then sell it as soon as they recieve one, even though they have moaned for years about the fact that they couldn't get one on demand.

This is what is wrong, this is whats unfair. I believe that H/C numbers should be restricted however they should not be transferable and when someone leaves the trade THE AUTHORITY should re-issue the plate to the person who has waited the longest for one.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:31 pm 
This returns to what I feel is the real problem for the trade and OFT.

Making sure that an appropiate number of vehicles are available at varying times of the day/week.

For maximum benefit of drivers and customers there need to be some sort of coordination of demand and supply.


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Tom Thumb wrote:
This returns to what I feel is the real problem for the trade and OFT.

Making sure that an appropiate number of vehicles are available at varying times of the day/week.

For maximum benefit of drivers and customers there need to be some sort of coordination of demand and supply.



but of course short of running a cartell that is impossible, in my very short time in private hire I always found the office found its own level, if too many cars turned up, it wouldnt be long b4 it found its own level by people going home!

Capitalism works the same way except it always in the end leaves a shortage, you know ASDA, opens closes everbody down then closes itself to transfer buisness to another branch, so communities are left without chemists or daily papers.

We are at the moment forcasting many shortages for the future, plumbers, electrical, and drivers, our local buses are short by 10% much chuntering going on in the chattering classes.

this means opportunity knocks, but only for the hole pluggers, those that lay artificial levels will soon see the folly of thier interference.


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BUT the majority of jockied plates are on saloon cars Dusty (I wish I had your name so I could refer to it constantly during my replies). Any new plates would, in most cases, would be for WAV's. It therefore follows that owners of the saloon cars will find new jockies for their saloons when their original jockey is out driving his WAV with his own plates. This also leads to the "premium" being strengthened as owners of expensive WAV's see buying a cheaper saloon vehicle as a way of reducing costs and increasing profits.


I don't think it really matters what HC a journeyman drives, cos not all HCs have jockies at present.

So the senario that any new plate given to a current jockie, will leave a space for another new entrant, doesn't nessesary follow. In other words, there are enough hours in the week for each current HC to have 3 full-time drivers, and 1 part-time, but who many do?

But you are right there will be a premium on non-WAVs up to 2010/20, but in reality how much will that be worth? Perhaps a driver will save on one or maybe two vehicle changes.

I will settle for that.


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You see, arguments for some areas to increase numbers are justified, however premiums will ONLY be removed following full deregulation and because some authorities have allowed plates to be transfered knowing that monies have been exchanged for the operating rights, it will be impossible to, in some areas, deregulate fully as the authority would face compensation claims from ALL existing "premium" plateholders to cover the full cost of investment. Maybe this is what should be done, total deregulation of numbers, single tier or whatever termanology you wish to use would offer a level playing field for non-plateholders but surely without payment of compensation to plateholders who have legally, and with the full knowledge of the council, paid for their "work right" the playing field would be stacked in the favour of those wishing to have the oppertunity rather than those who currently do. If, however, an authority DOES NOT allow such transactions NO compensation could be saught, nor could it be saught by a plateholder who recieved the plate from the authority without "premium". Just look at the situation in Brighton where people wait years for a plate then sell it as soon as they recieve one, even though they have moaned for years about the fact that they couldn't get one on demand.


I think the compensation issue was somewhat put to bed by the Wirral judgement, provided you got your plate after 1985. If you got it before, then you may have a case.

However I wonder how many of those that bought before 1985 are still plate holders, and still have the receipt from the chap they bought it from.

And of course all of this would have been declared to the tax man. :roll:


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This is what is wrong, this is whats unfair. I believe that H/C numbers should be restricted however they should not be transferable and when someone leaves the trade THE AUTHORITY should re-issue the plate to the person who has waited the longest for one.


In an ideal world that would make sense. But in Scotland it doesn't work.

How do you assess if someone has retired?

They may live in sunny Spain, may never have driven their HCs for years, but as long as they re-new there license, then it will always be theirs.


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Sussex Man wrote:
However I wonder how many of those that bought before 1985 are still plate holders, and still have the receipt from the chap they bought it from.

And of course all of this would have been declared to the tax man. :roll:


Here's one here, all above board... everything declared 1982.


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