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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:41 pm 
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so SEISS-3 will be 1/4 what SSEI-1 was...

oh well, que sera sera

In all fairness i suspect most of us expected zilch.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:50 pm 
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Only thing is a lot of us make above average profits September to December, 20% does mor reflect this


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:33 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
so SEISS-3 will be 1/4 what SSEI-1 was...

oh well, que sera sera

In all fairness i suspect most of us expected zilch.



I didn't BUT I thought 40 to 50 per cent might be possible

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Self-employed to get a grant of up to £3,750, Rishi Sunak announces

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/12994226 ... rant-help/

MILLIONS of self-employed workers will be able to claim a grant worth up to £3,750 from the government, it's been revealed today.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak has confirmed he is doubling the support the government will give struggling businesses in an update in the House of Commons.

The Treasury previously said it would cover 20% of average monthly profits, up to a total of £1,875, covering November to January next year under the self-employment income support scheme (SEISS).

But it will now increase this amount to 40%, meaning the maximum grant is now worth £3,750.

An additional second grant will also be available for self-employed workers to cover February 2021 to the end of April.

The government hasn't said how much this second grant will cover.

Today, the chancellor announced:

i) Job Support Scheme (JSS) made more generous
ii) Workers must work minimum of 20% of hours to get JSS
iii) Businesses will pay 5% of wages of non-worked hours
iv) Grants for self-employed doubled up to £3,750
v) New grants for businesses in high-alert area

Businesses can claim if they were eligible for the previous SEISS support, even if they didn't apply for the first two grants.

They must also be actively trading, even under a reduced capacity.

Speaking today, the chancellor said the additional support from the government was worth £3.1billion.

Mr Sunak said: "We are doubling the next round of the income support from 20% to 40% of incomes.

"We have now provided over £13billion support to self-employed workers. This government is on their side.

"This is our plan for jobs, for businesses, for regions, for the economy. A plan to support the British people."

The new support, however, will not extend to self-employed workers who are company directors or run their businesses as limited companies.

Single mum Kimberley Palmer told The Sun she has been been pushed into debt and forced to apply for Universal Credit because she was unable to apply for the previous SEISS grants.

Start-ups also lose out, as to qualify you need to have submitted a tax return for the 2018/19 financial year.

Derek Cribb, chief executive of the Association of Independent Professionals and the Self-Employed, said: "It’s welcome that the government has doubled SEISS to 40% of previous income.

"However, there are still deep structural problems with the scheme, which the government must urgently address.

"A third of the self-employed – including sole directors of limited companies and the newly self-employed – are still completely excluded from SEISS."

Who can apply?

To apply for the scheme you must meet the following criteria:

i) Eligible for SEISS under the old schemes - although, you don't have to have applied for previous grants
ii) Still be actively trading and intend to continue to trade
iii) Experienced reduced demand business due to Covid from November 1 until date of claim (for third grant)
iv) The grant is non-repayable but it is subject to income tax and national insurance contributions.

The government hasn't said when applications will open for the new set of SEISS grants but HMRC will provide updates on the gov.uk website.

How did the self-employed grant scheme work before?

The first SEISS grant was worth 80% of three months' profits up to a cap of £7,500 in total, or £2,500 a month.

While the second grant covered up to 70% of profits over three months again, worth up to £6,750 in total.

Claims for the second grant closed this week, on October 19.

For these grants, only those who made less than £50,000 a year in profit between the 2016 and 2018 tax years were eligible to claim the funds.

What else did the chancellor announce today?

The chancellor confirmed he would make changes to the new Job Support Scheme (JSS) to help more firms that are staying open.

Currently, only closed businesses in Tier 3 are allowed to claim the government support, which pays up to two thirds of staff wages.

But now the programme - which will come into force on November 1 - will allow every business across the country which is still open to get similar help.

The government will pay 61.67% of employee wages if they're enrolled on the scheme, while businesses will pay just 5% of non-worked hours.

Employees will need to work 20% of their hours, rather than a third, to be eligible for support.

The chancellor announced that the furlough scheme will be replaced by the JSS from November 1.

Trade unions and organisations had been urging the government to rethink plans to end furlough to avoid a second wave of job cuts.

It comes as the economy dropped by 19.8% between April and June - but the decline wasn't as bad as analysts feared.

Gross domestic product (GDP) had been predicted to shrink by 20.4% during the peak of lockdown.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:13 pm 
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But it will now increase this amount to 40%, meaning the maximum grant is now worth £3,750.

Clearly better than 20%, but we will still have to wait three months for it. [-(

When we haven't received a bean since August. [-(

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:44 pm 
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But it will now increase this amount to 40%, meaning the maximum grant is now worth £3,750.

Clearly better than 20%, but we will still have to wait three months for it. [-(

When we haven't received a bean since August. [-(


Many have received no help at all.


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But it will now increase this amount to 40%, meaning the maximum grant is now worth £3,750.

Clearly better than 20%, but we will still have to wait three months for it. [-(

When we haven't received a bean since August. [-(


Many have received no help at all.

The ones around here that got no help were the ones that have not reported any profits or not reported that they have been working.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:42 pm 
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But it will now increase this amount to 40%, meaning the maximum grant is now worth £3,750.

Clearly better than 20%, but we will still have to wait three months for it. [-(

When we haven't received a bean since August. [-(


Many have received no help at all.

Basically people who haven't put anything in the pot will receive little sympathy from those that have.

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So if furlough is being extended because of the new lockdown, I wonder if the SEISS grants will be made a bit more generous?

I'm guessing that even if it is, it still won't be like the 80% or the 70% on the first two grants, particularly since the new lockdown is supposedly for one month, while the SEISS grants cover three months.

So maybe the third grant will be increased from 40% to 60%, or thereabouts? Of course, we might get zero, but a 20% uplift would obviously be better than that [-o<

Anyway, supposedly the scheme for the third grant opens on 14 December, so hopefully should have the cash before Christmas. Which means, if the current 40% rate is maintained, that next month's grant will be precisely half that of the first grant back in May.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:19 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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When we haven't received a bean since August. [-(


Many have received no help at all.

Basically people who haven't put anything in the pot will receive little sympathy from those that have.


I have paid into the pot all my working life and receive no help, many others are in the same boat and no one was asking for sympathy.
We have not moaned that we have not received a bean since August.


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I have paid into the pot all my working life and receive no help, many others are in the same boat and no one was asking for sympathy.
We have not moaned that we have not received a bean since August.

Why have you received no help?

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I have paid into the pot all my working life and receive no help, many others are in the same boat and no one was asking for sympathy.
We have not moaned that we have not received a bean since August.

Why have you received no help?


My profits are not 50% of my income and no I do not have another job.


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My profits are not 50% of my income and no I do not have another job.

So the fact that you are self-employed and clearly (like the rest of us) have suffered a loss of self-employed income wasn't sufficient enough for you to claim?

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My profits are not 50% of my income and no I do not have another job.

So the fact that you are self-employed and clearly (like the rest of us) have suffered a loss of self-employed income wasn't sufficient enough for you to claim?



Correct, according to my accountants I was one of the many hundreds of thousands who did not meet the criteria.


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My profits are not 50% of my income and no I do not have another job.

So the fact that you are self-employed and clearly (like the rest of us) have suffered a loss of self-employed income wasn't sufficient enough for you to claim?

If your income from self-employment is less than 50% of your income from other sources (PAYE, pensions, rentals, interest, dividends or investments, say), then you don't get a bean as regards your self-employment income.


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