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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:35 am 
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I know what your talking about skull, I was up there last monday and got moved and my punter was at the cab almost told the police go F@@k himself, I told him all I had to do was put the case in the back and would be off
Why dont you all ask the AA if you can rank up at the first terminal where the rank used to be about 15 years ago.
there is plenty of room and you could get about 25 cabs there, and its closer to the arivals door and the punters only have to look left and the would see you all


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I know what your talking about skull, I was up there last monday and got moved and my punter was at the cab almost told the police go F@@k himself, I told him all I had to do was put the case in the back and would be off
Why dont you all ask the AA if you can rank up at the first terminal where the rank used to be about 15 years ago.
there is plenty of room and you could get about 25 cabs there, and its closer to the arivals door and the punters only have to look left and the would see you all




You know this they are pushing the motley crew beyond the pale. How much [edited by admin] are people expected to take? As long as Edinburgh Airport (BAA) has nothing to do with providing a service there is know problem.

Pay that [edited by admin] a £1. I would burn the [edited by admin] at the stake for less.

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An indication of where a free for all ends up?

Why all the question marks? :wink: :lol:

So are you now a fan of a three tier system? :?

Tier one is the mighty PH, tier two is the cab trade, and tier three a select few from the cab trade with station/airport permits?

So much for the workers united. :wink:


I am a fan of the ONE tier system, and stuff the "workers", most of the don't want to woek


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I dont know why you should need a permit to pick up punters anywhere in the uk, if you all said no way what could they do especialy at airports and rail stations.
remember they need you, so if you refused to pay what could they do
You should all tell the companies that charge to get stuffed
I would park outside the stations or airports and let punters phone


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I dont know why you should need a permit to pick up punters anywhere in the uk, if you all said no way what could they do especialy at airports and rail stations.
remember they need you, so if you refused to pay what could they do
You should all tell the companies that charge to get stuffed
I would park outside the stations or airports and let punters phone

I couldn't agree more, but this trade has so many splits in it that the airport/station folk know we would all screw each other to get the work. :sad:

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Oh, the joys of de-limiting a restricted market. First of many sorry tales from Edinborough, no doubt.


I wasn't aware Edinburgh had changed it's policy on restriction?

I think Edinburgh Airport might well be advised to supply a feeder park to cater for the additional Taxis servicing the Airport. Most every other modern Airport does this.

JD


I wasn't aware that I had claimed that Edinburgh HAD changed it's policy?


Your post never stated to which market you were referring, when you said "Oh, the joys of de-limiting a restricted market". However seeing as this thread is about the Airport I should have deduced that your referrence was made in respect of the Airport.

I don't entirely see it as a case of de limitation, I think exclusion might be more apt because 94.5% of the Edinburgh Taxi trade were excluded from using the Airport.

As far as I am aware the Airport was being serviced by 150 private hire vehicles and only 70 hackneys. What we have now is the Edinburgh taxi trade being offered an opportunity to ply for hire in the whole of their area? Some may say this is the right thing to do but obviously you don't agree?

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just heard that we cant charge the fee to get in and out of the pre booked pick up point to the passanger according to the cab office :shock:

the joke is that after 10mins the price goes up to £1.50 then £1.90 etc which is a total joke as you start getting less for the fare so whats the point.

as a PH i can only pick up at this point and the other black cabs who pick up there aint happy either. funny that we agree on somthing at last must be a first :lol: :lol: and they are a nice lot o blokes as well :lol: :lol:


does the new taxi rank that always has a extra 5 cabs sitting out side it :lol: pay £1 only or does that go up the longer you sit????


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Why not just move the rank at the airport your selves just go to the other side next to the first terminal start queueing opposite the entrance to the car park and if they try to move you refuse or just go and speak to who eve rs in charge of the airport and tell them your moving as there is more room and you will not be causing any obstruction as you are now at the rank they have provided, and the punters can see you when they come out of the arrivals door
Come on its not rocket science BUCK THE TREND


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:48 pm 
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just heard that we cant charge the fee to get in and out of the pre booked pick up point to the passanger according to the cab office :shock:

Do me a favour?

Ask your cab office which part of which act permits your council to dictate what you as a PH can charge. :-k

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just heard that we cant charge the fee to get in and out of the pre booked pick up point to the passanger according to the cab office :shock:

Do me a favour?

Ask your cab office which part of which act permits your council to dictate what you as a PH can charge. :-k



Make no bones about it the cab office think they are god almighty and the sad thing is so do most of the trade.

Cap in hand and all that. :cry:

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Sussex wrote:
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just heard that we cant charge the fee to get in and out of the pre booked pick up point to the passanger according to the cab office :shock:

Do me a favour?

Ask your cab office which part of which act permits your council to dictate what you as a PH can charge. :-k


If the PH has a taximeter fitted, and the journey is within the licensed area, then it has to meter the journey and cannot charge more than the metered fare and cannot apply extras other than those stated on the tariff sheet.

Is yours different?


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If the PH has a taximeter fitted, and the journey is within the licensed area, then it has to meter the journey and cannot charge more than the metered fare and cannot apply extras other than those stated on the tariff sheet.

Is yours different?

Exactly the same, but that's my (or my firms) choice.

That said, we can change our fees today, tomorrow or the next day, without reference to the council. As long as the fare chart is displayed in the motor.

So when Mr Chipper said his council wont allow him (as a PH) to charge an extra fee, then I think, no I know, his council is talking rubbish. :wink:

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So when Mr Chipper said his council wont allow him (as a PH) to charge an extra fee, then I think, no I know, his council is talking rubbish. :wink:



think its time to give the cab office a phone call then sussex but i dont hold out much hope. let you know how i get on


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well sussex my old pal thats me just off the phone and.........

if its not on the fare table you just aint allowed to charge for it :shock: :shock: and thats that

here is that tariff table

http://manage.edinburgh.gov.uk/Licensin ... _fares.pdf

so just as RealCabforce says
"If the PH has a taximeter fitted, and the journey is within the licensed area, then it has to meter the journey and cannot charge more than the metered fare and cannot apply extras other than those stated on the tariff sheet. "

last wk i pulled up at the pay point and the cost should have been £1.50 but bye the time i had fought throught the pile of black cabs and PH carsImage and then the PH/Taxi Driver scrum Imageat the pay machine it had gone up to £1.90 Image and the bast bit about this story is the punter had not turned up so i was £1.90 out of pocket Image Image


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:33 pm 
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RealCabforce wrote:
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just heard that we cant charge the fee to get in and out of the pre booked pick up point to the passanger according to the cab office :shock:

Do me a favour?

Ask your cab office which part of which act permits your council to dictate what you as a PH can charge. :-k


If the PH has a taximeter fitted, and the journey is within the licensed area, then it has to meter the journey and cannot charge more than the metered fare and cannot apply extras other than those stated on the tariff sheet.

Is yours different?



That's the rules that your council have made up, but do they have the power to make them?

There's no power in the Act for councils to set PH fares, so it could be the case that if you challenged them the rules would be declared illegal. Why would the act specifically include the power to set taxi fares but does not mention PH fares, if it was intended that councils should have the power to set PH fares?

A couple of years ago a few councils took it upon themselves to set minimum prices for alchohol served in pubs, but this was declared illegal when challenged.

I suspect that the reasoning was that if councils were supposed to set prices for booze then the act would have said so, but it didn't - ditto PH.

But of course in a similar thread before Xmas we concluded that some councils just please themselves and rely on the fact that they wouldn't be challenged.


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