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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:06 pm 
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The practice in Glasgow of private hire vehicles advertising their companies phone numbers & names is actually illegal


So why then is it a failure for any PH to not be displaying a backflash with company phone number/name as well as your call sign at test time?

Also if the enforcement spot you working with no backflash - you are put off the road.

I personally think there should be more prominant signage on PH cars - and to keep the loud mouths of the forum happy the signage should display "Pre Booked Only" :wink: (be this door plaques or roof signs)

I think the public need to be educated regarding jumping in the first car they see - but I suppose when your half pi55ed, and standing in the murder capital of Europe then all you want is to get home - whatever it takes (which is a sad fact)


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I am sorry, I care too much about my health to enter the Smog capitol of GB that is Green Badge's ghetto hence i know naff all about PH in Smogdon.

PH in our area must have front and rear plates along with door signs and the manatory badge around the next plus 1 on the dash/windscreen (why they take a mugshot of my face when the customer see's the back of my head is beyond me).
In our area of over a dozen PH firms, low single figures use a computerised system, thus at 2.15am for example the receptionist will not know what car is picking the customer up as we are all over the place.
We only take customers phone numbers if they are at certain places (hard for us to pick up) but what is to say that the customer will answer their phone or wait for the correct car to pick them up.

EG: 2.30am sunday morning, your drunk and want to go to bed, you see a taxi type saloon driving slowly down the street, you hold your arm out to flag thus car, you get in and ask to take you home and ..........

Just another weekend in a town/city centre, and the PH company can do nothing about it.


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Paisley Buddie wrote:
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1. Well ALL private hire vehicles that are licensed by Glasgow City Council must have the telephone number of the company they work for on display on the rear window. Most also have the companys name.
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The practice in Glasgow of private hire vehicles advertising their companies phone numbers & names is actually illegal


CIVIC GOVERNMENT (SCOTLAND) ACT 1982 CHAPTER 45

PART II LICENSING AND REGULATION--PARTICULAR ACTIVITIES

LICENSING AND REGULATION OF TAXIS AND PRIVATE HIRE CARS

s 14 Signs on vehicles other than taxis.

(1) Subject to subsection (2) below, there shall not be displayed on or in
a private hire car any word, sign, notice, mark, illumination or other
feature which may suggest that the vehicle is available for hire as a taxi.

(2) Subsection (1) above does not apply in relation to any licence plate or
other thing issued by the licensing authority for the purpose of indicating
that the vehicle to which it relates is a private hire car or in relation to
any sign required by virtue of section 21 of the Vehicles (Excise) Act 1971.


WEll you better take that up with the Council as a car will fail a test if they turn up without the company phone/name on the vehilce. Then again I am sure that in your area the private hire have the company name on the side rear windows....who put the name on the sign...hmmmm oh yeah the Council did. You better tell your own council then its ilegal.

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Charlie wrote:
Paisley Buddie wrote:
The practice in Glasgow of private hire vehicles advertising their companies phone numbers & names is actually illegal


So why then is it a failure for any PH to not be displaying a backflash with company phone number/name as well as your call sign at test time?

Also if the enforcement spot you working with no backflash - you are put off the road.

I personally think there should be more prominant signage on PH cars - and to keep the loud mouths of the forum happy the signage should display "Pre Booked Only" :wink: (be this door plaques or roof signs)

I think the public need to be educated regarding jumping in the first car they see - but I suppose when your half pi55ed, and standing in the murder capital of Europe then all you want is to get home - whatever it takes (which is a sad fact)


Hi Charlie
THe problem is that people have came into this debate with out knowing the rules/regulations that are enforced in Glasgow. We both know that if the enforcement units will take your plates for not showing the back flashes.

Rather sad that paisley buddy is commenting on it when in fact his local council put the name of the company on the side flases for the driver.

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We both know that if the enforcement units will take your plates for not showing the back flashes.


Is this legal, or is it a Scottish thing, re the enforcement units take your plate, I would have thought that it would be a court matter first

A fair numbers of years ago we had an Enforcement Officer [ex policeman] reminds me of the "On the Buses" inspector "'Blakey" Blake["I 'ate you, Butler!'"]

He came out one night with a screwdriver and tried to take the plate off a black cab but with no success as one driver was a "rank lawyer" knew the law and told him he couldn't do that without the courts, the Enforcement officer eventually got a job laying kerbs


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greenbadgecabby wrote:
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you talk about " private hire company’s giving details of the registration number of the cars and the identity of the drivers that have been sent to pick up people" does your company do that and what about the street cabs that don’t work with company’s??? And why if you don’t give a "monkeys about what goes on in Glasgow" post a reply.



I drive a plated black Taxi with an illuminated TAXI light on the front, I work for myself as the majority in London do.

Those drivers on circuits can have the customer called when they are outside.

Theres a slight difference you appear to have overlooked chipper, i'm meant to look like a cab so people hail me in the street or walk up to me at one of our many ranks.

Thats not what minicabs are there for. they are there for pre-booked work only.

I'll do the next bit in bold.

ADVERTISING / SIGNS ON MINICABS WILL MEAN, IN LONDON, THAT THOUSANDS OF MINICABS WILL TURN TO PARKING UP IN CENTRAL LONDON AND THE CITY OF LONDON, WHEN THEIR OFFICES IN THE SUBURBS ARE QUIET. IF THEY LOOK LIKE A TAXI WITH SIGNS AND ROOF SIGNS THEN PEOPLE WILL APPROACH THEM FOR A JOB.

Unlike your people in Edinburgh, most of ours have little morals.

You may have a few bad eggs who chance their arm, we have a never ending convoy of them every night trawling the streets looking to steal a job. Thats in unmarked cars with no signs, just wait until they get door or roof signs. Its a license to tout that they could only dream of.

They work 12 hour shifts for what amounts to peanuts in London.
This will be the perfect way for them to increase their takings without any extra tax or rent.


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greenbadgecabby wrote:
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you talk about " private hire company’s giving details of the registration number of the cars and the identity of the drivers that have been sent to pick up people" does your company do that and what about the street cabs that don’t work with company’s??? And why if you don’t give a "monkeys about what goes on in Glasgow" post a reply.



I drive a plated black Taxi with an illuminated TAXI light on the front, I work for myself as the majority in London do.

Those drivers on circuits can have the customer called when they are outside.

Theres a slight difference you appear to have overlooked chipper, i'm meant to look like a cab so people hail me in the street or walk up to me at one of our many ranks.

Thats not what minicabs are there for. they are there for pre-booked work only.

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i get your point greenbadgecabby but what would i look like if i buy this



just shows that the passanger must always check that they are getting in to a PH or Taxi


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Stinky Pete i heard that one stupid PH driver here got approached a year or so ago on the street and asked if he was for hire and he said yes. they jumped in and as he turned the corner there was the cab inspector with screw drive to take his plates of his motor and his liceance was susspended for 3months. sad thing is the passanger was a under cover cab inspector :shock: :shock: :shock

not sure if this story is fact or not as it happened before i started driving Ph


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Stinky Pete i heard that one stupid PH driver here got approached a year or so ago on the street and asked if he was for hire and he said yes. they jumped in and as he turned the corner there was the cab inspector with screw drive to take his plates of his motor and his liceance was susspended for 3months. sad thing is the passanger was a under cover cab inspector :shock: :shock: :shock

not sure if this story is fact or not as it happened before i started driving Ph


Nah, thats entrapment, the Authority is not allowed to do that


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greenbadgecabby wrote:
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I have hand jobs dropping off in Glasgow

Now that's a place to be working in. :D


You beat me to it.



ok ok ok you got me there :lol: :lol: iam a total Image it hand beeeed a longd daisy you know tusts me it the turth ImageImageImageImageImage


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Stinky Pete wrote:
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Stinky Pete i heard that one stupid PH driver here got approached a year or so ago on the street and asked if he was for hire and he said yes. they jumped in and as he turned the corner there was the cab inspector with screw drive to take his plates of his motor and his liceance was susspended for 3months. sad thing is the passanger was a under cover cab inspector :shock: :shock: :shock

not sure if this story is fact or not as it happened before i started driving Ph


Nah, thats entrapment, the Authority is not allowed to do that


thats what i thought but was not sure if some one was talking bull or not. thing is all they need to do is stop you and check if the job has been pre booked.


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Stinky Pete wrote:
chipper wrote:
Stinky Pete i heard that one stupid PH driver here got approached a year or so ago on the street and asked if he was for hire and he said yes. they jumped in and as he turned the corner there was the cab inspector with screw drive to take his plates of his motor and his liceance was susspended for 3months. sad thing is the passanger was a under cover cab inspector :shock: :shock: :shock

not sure if this story is fact or not as it happened before i started driving Ph


Nah, thats entrapment, the Authority is not allowed to do that


Well is their any law against entrapment in this country? cuz here every weekend the council enforcement officers are out & thats how they get the drivers who are picking up without bookings


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Radioman wrote:
Hi Charlie
THe problem is that people have came into this debate with out knowing the rules/regulations that are enforced in Glasgow. We both know that if the enforcement units will take your plates for not showing the back flashes.

Rather sad that paisley buddy is commenting on it when in fact his local council put the name of the company on the side flases for the driver.

regards


I agree mate - I should actually take a few mins to copy the little handbook we are now given to clarify the rules/regulations up here in Glasgow - some quite good info in it actually.

I think as usual some folk on here have also jumped on here to mouth off about their cause (i.e anti PH) - which is also sad - if you have nothing constructive to say, or don't give a damn what happens "up here" - then give your keyboard a rest ffs!

@ Stinky Pete

I don't know if it's a Scottish thing or not mate, but they do it - and more often than you would imagine at roadside - anything from no backflash or callsign displayed to having ,or more than 2 bulbs inop at one time! (this actually happened to my Father in Law (a N/S/F sidelight and O/S side repeater were inop when he was checked on a lively Friday evening - that was him off the road until Monday with no opertunity to rectify the defects on the spot)

Another one is - if they spot your car has accident damage - even if it's sitting outside your house or outside a garage waiting to be repaired - they will remove the plates and apply a sticker to the car informing you to contact the Enforcement section of the council asap for the vehicle to undergo a full examination.


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Stinky Pete wrote:
chipper wrote:
Stinky Pete i heard that one stupid PH driver here got approached a year or so ago on the street and asked if he was for hire and he said yes. they jumped in and as he turned the corner there was the cab inspector with screw drive to take his plates of his motor and his liceance was susspended for 3months. sad thing is the passanger was a under cover cab inspector :shock: :shock: :shock

not sure if this story is fact or not as it happened before i started driving Ph


Nah, thats entrapment, the Authority is not allowed to do that


"Entrapment" is not a reliable defence. The driver could have, should have, said no. I hope he enjoyed his holiday.


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He is an excellent representative of his chosen trade. How the hell he managed to get a green badge with the level of bigotry he displays is beyond my understanding.



I thought that was a prerequisite :roll:

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