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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 9:07 pm 
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Rules saying all taxis must be wheelchair accessible could lead to more drivers quitting

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris ... ir-9772512

New rules coming into force next year mean that all hackney carriage taxis in South Gloucestershire must be wheelchair accessible. But the changes have led to fears that more drivers could quit and switch over to private hire vehicles, such as Uber, instead.

From July all hackney carriages registered in the district will have to be accessible to people in wheelchairs. Hackney carriages are the sort of taxis that passengers can hail in the street or at a rank outside a station, while private hire vehicles must be booked in advance, like via an app.

South Gloucestershire Council has been considering the policy for years but delayed and delayed the new rules, most recently due to a shortage of wheelchair-accessible vehicles. But councillors on the regulatory committee finally voted through the changes on November 14.

David Redgewell, a transport campaigner, said: “There are hardly any buses now to the villages of Wotton-under-Edge, Charfield, Wickwar and Hawkesbury Upton. People in those areas are relying on public taxi services. I often use them from Yate railway station.

“Without accessibility, a driver would have to literally take my wheelchair to pieces and put it back together. It’s not acceptable. There's a risk if I fall and can't get back up. Local transport authorities should be making sure that the network is fully accessible.”

But there are concerns that the new rules would drive down the number of hackney carriages in the district even further, after dropping precipitously since the pandemic. Many drivers have recently switched over to private hire vehicles.

Shashikumar Bhurton, director of Bristol Parkway Taxis, said: “The overall concern is there’s a lack of hackneys. The main places we have taxi ranks in South Gloucestershire are Bristol Parkway and Kingswood High Street. Has there been any data to support that we have to all have WAVs?”

The last delay was in March 2023. A survey was promised to explore the demand for wheelchair-accessible vehicles in South Gloucestershire, but this hasn’t been done. One council officer said they couldn’t find any external consultant who could carry out the survey.

Conservative Councillor Keith Cranney said: “We will probably end up with a lot less hackneys, which does seem quite unfair because they’re out there trying to earn a living. They [hackney carriage drivers] aren’t doing anything wrong and they’re working well to provide public transport for our residents in South Glos.

“We owe it to the trade to be clear and transparent, and not just make that decision gung-ho until that survey is done. Then we can say that all the relevant data has been gathered. Until that’s done I think we have no option but to defer, until that survey is carried out and we’re burnished with all the proper facts about how much disability use is needed.

“We’re dealing with people’s livelihoods here. Let’s be fair to all sides. I’m not saying we don’t need wheelchair-accessible vehicles, we clearly do. But let’s find out the actual need here in South Glos.”

However, the committee then took a recess, in which they continued to discuss the policy but without members of the public or the press being able to observe what was said. After the recess, Cllr Cranney appeared to have completely changed his mind.

He said: “Having had the opportunity to discuss our concerns, and having taken further advice from officers, I would like to withdraw my earlier motion [to defer the decision]. Instead I would like to propose that, if that committee is minded, we support the recommendation to update the council’s policy, so that all hackney carriages are wheelchair accessible from July 1, 2025.”

Six months after that date, council staff will report back to the committee on the impact of the changes. After the meeting, Cllr Cranney was asked by the Local Democracy Reporting Service what happened during the recess to lead to his change of mind. He did not provide an answer.

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However, the committee then took a recess, in which they continued to discuss the policy but without members of the public or the press being able to observe what was said. After the recess, Cllr Cranney appeared to have completely changed his mind.

Democracy at it's very worst. [-X

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Would there be enough new WAVs to meet the demand? Would such WAVs be affordable? I suspect the answer to both questions would be no.


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I can't wait for our Council to propose this.


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Aylesbury Council did this in 2008 Deadline 2010 to be Fully Accessible LTI TX, Peugeot E7 etc ever since 2010 they was 100% accessible since 2021 When 4 councils merged Inc Aylesbury to form Buckinghamshire council with only Aylesbury being 100% WAV and the other 3 councils being Saloon the Saloon owners where given grandfathers rights to keep saloons, WAVs to stay WAV and any new Licence given to Only WAV.


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Would there be enough new WAVs to meet the demand? Would such WAVs be affordable? I suspect the answer to both questions would be no.

That is a good point.

There is virtually no supply of new WAVs, other than the crazy-priced LEVCs or Mercs, and the second-hand market is non existant.

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However, the committee then took a recess, in which they continued to discuss the policy but without members of the public or the press being able to observe what was said. After the recess, Cllr Cranney appeared to have completely changed his mind.

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After the meeting, Cllr Cranney was asked by the Local Democracy Reporting Service what happened during the recess to lead to his change of mind. He did not provide an answer.

As Sussex alluded earlier, not exactly an object lesson in openness and transparency [-X

And maybe it's just me, but I hadn't latched on to the fact that this is the same authority that looks like it's the Wolverhampton of the South West (although I blame the geographically non-specific thread titles... [-( ).

So it's one rule for the PH sector (or in fact very few rules, presumably), while for HCs it's ramping up WAV availability by mandating them (see what I did there...ramping up...WAVs? :oops:).

And according to the stats, there are already 32 WAV HCs out of 65 total HCs (the other 33 being saloons, presumably), so with small numbers like that, is mandating WAVs really going to transform things? You'd guess that with such small HC numbers for a population of around 300,000, there's relatively little street work, therefore...

But, to be fair, with around 3,300 PHVs already licenced by the council, another couple of dozen converting from HC to PHV won't really be noticed in the stats... :?


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...but with the distinct lack of democracy and transparency here, and the 50 or so complaints against a driver before he's actioned, and the LOs not bothering to contact the relevant operator in the meantime, and with the council bigwig getting on his high horse about the audacity of the driver's case being discussed in an open forum... [-(

Obviously some very interesting goings on at South Gloucestershire Council [-(


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...but with the distinct lack of democracy and transparency here, and the 50 or so complaints against a driver before he's actioned, and the LOs not bothering to contact the relevant operator in the meantime, and with the council bigwig getting on his high horse about the audacity of the driver's case being discussed in an open forum... [-(

Obviously some very interesting goings on at South Gloucestershire Council [-(

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