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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:39 pm 
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Nothing particular new here, either in terms of the stuff drivers subjected to, or the gimmicky response from police and the licensing convener here :roll:


Dundee cabbie, 47, ‘too scared to work weekend nights’ after attacks and abuse

Grandad Andy Sturrock says he has been hit with a bottle and spat at by drunken passengers.

A Dundee taxi driver says he is too scared to work weekend nights due to the levels of physical abuse aimed at him by drunken passengers.

Andy Sturrock, 47, says he has been hit with a bottle, punched, spat at and had his car kicked during his 12 years working as a cabbie.

He says he is lucky to have escaped serious injury so far and now avoids Friday and Saturday nights.

‘Dundee taxi drivers are fair game for passengers

It comes as a new campaign is being launched encouraging people to treat cabbies with respect – in the week a man was found guilty of murdering taxi driver Mark Ward in Dundee in a row over a cigarette.

Andy, a grandad of six with two more grandchildren on the way, says he is only sticking with his job because it gives him flexibility with childcare.

The City Cabs 450450 driver said: “The problem is getting worse with taxi drivers fair game for passengers – many of whom are under the influence of drink or drugs when they lash out at us.

“I have been hit over the head with a bottle, punched in the head, spat at, sworn at, had my car kicked, verbally abused and on one occasion someone pulled on the handbrake when we were travelling at 50mph.”

Dundee taxi anti-abuse campaign launched

He said: “The situation is now so bad I will not work nights at the weekends – it’s too dangerous.

“Concerningly, with the advent of daytime clubs, the problem is now transferring to daytime because of drink being taken.”

Unite the Union, which represents some drivers in the city, is leading the No Excuse for Abuse campaign – backed by Dundee City Council and Police Scotland.

Union rep Chris Elder said: “Many of our members regularly report attacks and abuse and anti-social behaviour.

“It happened to me when someone tried to grab my money bag.

“It’s pretty scary to be in a cab with someone who is lashing out at you.

“The campaign is aimed at making people aware of the problems and getting the local authority on board to help address what’s happening.”

Taxi drivers racially abused

Peter Marr of City Cabs 450450 said: “Verbal abuse, including racist comments, happens all the time and there are also reports of drivers being attacked by someone trying to rob them.

“We have addresses we won’t go to in Dundee because these fares are known to cause trouble.”

Graeme Stephen, chairman of Dundee Taxi Association, says even CCTV is not deterring people’s bad behaviour.

He added: “They might catch the person who did it, but that’s not helping the driver who has been injured – or even worse.”

Constable Matthew Simpson, who is supporting the campaign, said: “Everyone has the right to go to work and carry out their duties without fear of being subjected to violence, abuse or intimidation. Such behaviour is not tolerated.

“Where offences are reported, officers will investigate and take appropriate action when offenders are identified.”


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Andy Sturrock

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Andy Sturrock

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Unite rep Chris Elder

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Dundee Taxi Association chairman Graeme Stephen

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Matthew Simpson, Councillor Stewart Hunter and Chris Elder from Unite

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:44 pm 
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On the other hand, this is an excellent and original response to the piece on Facebook :-o

It's a tad long and maybe repeats itself a bit, but reflects some of the stuff I post on here occasionally [-(

But I could have written something similar in the 1990s when I drove in Dundee :roll:


Marcus Assakali wrote:

Police Scotland has a lot to be held accountable for, they shove anyone into any passing taxi to clear the area at closing time often.

They expect taxi drivers to take passengers without question, yet taxi drivers shouldn't be taking responsibility for the lives of others. They're a taxi service not an emergency service.

No matter how drunk someone is, no matter if they even have the money to be put into a taxi and no matter whether they're young vulnerable women who are totally out of it and almost asleep.

The police see it as passing the responsibility on to taxi drivers so they can gain control of the town centre which becomes manic at closing time.

The police don't care about the safety of taxi drivers nor members of the public when they do this.

Shouldn't they be the ones taking these folk home, often underagers etc since they're meant to care for the personal safety and welfare of the nightlife community?

After all the police are one of the agencies that are responsible for ensuring nightclubs and pubs uphold their license conditions which many don't because quite clearly there wouldn't be widespread abuse going on.

A blind eye is turned by many. We can't just pretend what's going on isn't going on.

The police stand outside knowing exactly what is going inside these establishments, is a toxic cycle, a brewing storm of different factors, that will repeat itself and unfold every weekend.

It's why many folk won't even go out in town now because there's far too much trouble, bairns that can't hack their drink and drugs, assaults of all kinds and people being supplied drink after drink, put at risk.

And yet cannabis is seen as a big danger to society. Anyone should have a walk around the town, sober on a weekend and explain how what is going on as a result mainly of alcohol, is safe? It totally is evidently leading to a lot of significant harm.

If the police can't enforce basic common sense with businesses not to serve folk alcohol, help them prevent drug misuse, when many are at their limit already, and they can't ensure members of the public are aware of their surroundings enough to be placed into taxis, got money, young single girls etc then they're part of the blame for not addressing it.

Taxi drivers aren't responsible for clearing up the mess every weekend they are their to take passengers from a to b in a decent manner.

The police aren't totally responsible neither but they can't expect taxi drivers to put themselves at danger, put them out of pocket and have problems ensuring people leave their taxis at the destination.

Yes folk ought to take personal responsibility for whatever their consuming, alcohol or drugs and their actions.... But it's unfair that taxi drivers are put at risk physically, financially and mentally.

Many folk who have family members in the trade know the amount of sh*t taxi drivers have to put up with on weekends, much of which is never reported because drivers often are not able to waste hours waiting on police coming to their aid when they are self employed and need to provide for their families.

I've had my dad assaulted, strangled, money stole, racially attacked, had to help vulnerable women, you name it. But he kept going because it was his livelihood and just accepted sadly it was part of the job.

You'll find that a lot of statistics are under reported because taxi drivers don't actually want trouble or bother.

People will assume, well if they can't handle the trade at weekends they should just not work as taxi drivers. The thing is there's still a lot of customers who do take responsibility for themselves and are no bother. It's very difficult sometimes to reject custom when police officers are routinely acting like taxi chaperones.

This is just a symptom of a much bigger problem that's not spoken about enough by the Police, Council, businesses etc because it's a much bigger problem than they're capable of dealing with.

Something needs to change because people are routinely being harmed by the ills of alcohol, drugs, assaults etc.

Taxi drivers are often on the "front line" so are well aware of what's going on and I'm pretty sure they don't just want the abuse etc to stop, they want people to not be allowed legally, in the situation they're in, in the first place.

We got a big society issue going on and those that are responsible need to be held accountable along with drinkers, society etc to make night life a much safer and enjoyable experience for everyone. For some the town is a no go area and a lot of folk want to be able to drink, party etc in a better environment too.

Good to see much of the next generation aren't choosing alcohol according to statistics. But some still are to their own danger.

Those in power: police, politicians, nightlife businesses etc have a lot to answer for, the lack of addressing, acknowledging and dealing with what's going on.

This should be a wakeup call to us all but I doubt it will come, it's normalised systemic behaviour, we've been part of it ourselves many of us but at the time you don't realise the consequences or wider circumstances you're out having a good time.

Nae good times to be had with the current culture, behaviour and relationship to alcohol/drugs in our society today. It's a damming indictment that should shame our city and country!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:08 pm 
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I think the Facebook chap isn't that far off the mark.

The problem everyone who works with the public late at night is that once pi**ed the public isn't very nice, and quite often can be right down nasty.

How often do you see a police officer at night on their own? Possibly never, yet we have to deal with the folks the police don't want around all on our own.

I used to love working nights all those years ago, but other than airport pick-ups I'm never out very late anymore.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 2:25 pm 
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Marcus Assakali (commenter on Facebook) wrote:
They expect taxi drivers to take passengers without question, yet taxi drivers shouldn't be taking responsibility for the lives of others. They're a taxi service not an emergency service.

No matter how drunk someone is, no matter if they even have the money to be put into a taxi and no matter whether they're young vulnerable women who are totally out of it and almost asleep.

The police see it as passing the responsibility on to taxi drivers so they can gain control of the town centre which becomes manic at closing time.

Maybe it's just me, but the link between the stuff above and another recent article on here didn't click the other night (and there are other comment's on the Dundee Evening Telegraph's Facebook page complaining about police putting drunks and 'vulnerable' girls and women in taxis).

And, of course, don't forget who ultimately got blamed over all of this. And it wasn't police :roll:

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The inquest heard that another KingKabs driver had collected Mr Howat from The Abode hotel in Chester after police officers had arranged the pick up, due to Mr Howat's level of intoxication.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 5:06 pm 
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This is just the relevant bit of the 'court round-up' page.

No word of any driver involvement but, as usual, driver probably luck not to get tied-up in it all :-o

Doesn't sound like a rank-queue scenario, but possibly near some busy venue if there were flaggers competing for the same car :?


Wednesday court round-up — Murder bid and midnight taxi dispute

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/co ... i-dispute/

A round-up of court cases from Tayside and Fife.

Taxi fracas

A Dundee woman has admitted leaving a mother and daughter “severely” injured during a fracas over who was riding in a city taxi.

At Dundee Sheriff Court, Joanne Kyle admitted both February 19 2024 assaults.

Prosecutor Carrie-Anne Mackenzie said all parties were waiting for a taxi at midnight and a complainer flagged one down.

She got in one side at the same time Kyle climbed in the other.

“An argument has taken place. The accused has essentially become involved in an altercation.

“Following this, the complainers go home and attend at Ninewells Hospital later.”

X-rays showed one victim suffered a fractured right wrist, a broken tooth and concussion.

The other had an injury to her pinkie finger, including cartilage and nerve damage and suffered scratching to her face.

Kyle, 40, admitted assaulting both and solicitor Mark Robbins said: “She has very little recollection of this herself.”

Sheriff George Way deferred sentencing until February 27 for a report on Kyle, of Kirkton Road.


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