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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 4:00 pm 
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This may be of limited interest to readers on here, but it's interesting how even councillors are deterred from scrutinising officials because of the ethical standards rules :-o

(The headline here slightly overeggs things - I thought officials had been threatening to batter councillors, but it's not quite as bad as that. Yet :lol: )

Anyway, this ethical standards mechanism is something I've often thought about using against councillors, and not just local ones either [-(

In fact, I could formulate pages and pages of complaints if I thought it would do any good, and if I thought there would be no kickback or other repercussions or reprisals 8-[

(And, as regards the particular issue below, there's no mechanism here for the public to complain against officials either - people like me can only complain about councillors, and not officials :? )


EXCLUSIVE: Dundee council leader ‘shocked and concerned’ at claims of threats from local authority officials

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/53 ... r-threats/

Mark Flynn was left worried after elected members said they feared repercussions for scrutinising council officers.

Dundee City Council leader Mark Flynn says he is “shocked and concerned” about claims councillors have been threatened with severe reprimands for criticising local authority officials.

The Courier revealed on Thursday that elected members in Perth and Dundee fear being reported to the Standards Commissioner if they speak out publicly against council officers.

Multiple councillors from different political parties, both administration and opposition, across Dundee and Perth, claim they have been threatened with sanctions for questioning council officer work.

The elected members pointed to a clause in the code of conduct which they believe is causing the issue.

Under the headline General Conduct, Respect and Courtesy, the section reads: “I will not undermine any individual employee or group of employees, or raise concerns about their performance, conduct or capability in public.”

Mr Flynn told The Courier that he himself has never experienced such behaviour.

But he is worried some councillors in the city feel they can’t properly scrutinise officers’ work.

He said: “Being a councillor myself since 2017, I never felt that myself to be completely honest.

“But I’m really shocked and concerned that there’s any councillor in this city who feels they can’t scrutinise the officer properly with the fear of the code of conduct over them.

“Because the code of conduct is there to support us, but also allow us to do what we are meant to be doing.

“And scrutinising reports that come to committee is really important.

“Scrutinising what’s been done in the city is really important.

“So I was really quite worried and concerned about that to be honest.”

Councillors approached The Courier

Councillors approached The Courier after I raised questions in my column last weekend about their ability to hold senior leaders within the council to account.

Local authority bosses, Greg Colgan in Dundee and Thomas Glen in Perth and Kinross, have come under fire in recent months for failing to engage with the public and answer questions on important issues affecting their areas.

The claims by the elected members were backed by Mid Scotland and Fife MSP Murdo Fraser who says he has also been contacted by councillors experiencing similar issues.

He told The Courier: “We know that it goes on, and I have had examples quoted to me by councillors.

“The threats have a stifling effect on legitimate political debate.”

The Standards Commissioner said they believe there is enough scope within the code for councillors to scrutinise officials.

The code of conduct is drafted and issued by Scottish Ministers with the approval of parliament.

A Scottish Government spokesperson said: “The Councillors’ Code of Conduct, which sets out openly and clearly the standards that are expected of councillors, was revised in 2021 through extensive consultation with local government.

“Any potential breaches of the code would be for the Ethical Standards Commissioner to investigate in the first instance and the Standards Commission to make a final decision on its disposal.”


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 4:02 pm 
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Complete non-answer from the Scottish Government at the end, there :roll:

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But he is worried some councillors in the city feel they can’t properly scrutinise officers’ work.

He said: “Being a councillor myself since 2017, I never felt that myself to be completely honest.

“But I’m really shocked and concerned that there’s any councillor in this city who feels they can’t scrutinise the officer properly with the fear of the code of conduct over them.

I suspect the leader of Dundee City Council is being a tad performative here - he's making it sound like it's something new to him, but even I've known for years about this thing about the detterence in the code of conduct for councillors attempting to scrutinise officials, and I vaguely recall local stuff along those very lines. Might be on here somewhere, actually, but who-knows-where :-o


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:28 pm 
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The question that comes to me first is does it really matter?

If councillors have the hump with an individual due to a disagreement in policy, then change the bloody policy.

Councillors need to man/woman/they/them up. :D

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:02 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
The question that comes to me first is does it really matter?

If councillors have the hump with an individual due to a disagreement in policy, then change the bloody policy.

Councillors need to man/woman/they/them up. :D

Having been a Councillor I know how difficult it is to get officers to change things.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:29 pm 
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For decades I've been reading about how difficult government ministers often find it to change policy because of obstruction from civil servants.

(And particularly so when it's right-leaning politicians versus the left-leaning civil service - the latter pejoratively called The Blob these days.)

And that's the ones in power - so what chance opposition politicians?

Of course, you don't hear about this kind of thing so much at the local level, but it seems pretty self-evident...to everyone but Sussex :-o


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:37 pm 
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Instructive piece in the Speccie this week - it's about both the local government and national dimension to all this kind of stuff :-o

Of course, the whole thing is/would be particularly acute with Reform, because they're a bit outside what's considered acceptable - more outside the Overton Window than the mainstream parties, sort of thing...

And I'd forgotten about Yes, Minister as well. Not that I ever watched it properly, but even seeing the odd clip gives a flavour of what it's all about in terms of the influence and obstructiveness of officials over politicians. Whether at local or national level.


Can Reform beat the blob?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/can ... -the-blob/

Tim Shipman

hortly after he was elected as Britain’s youngest council leader last month, 19-year-old George Finch of Reform UK had a conversation with Monica Fogarty, the chief executive of Warwickshire county council, about which of them was really running the show. In Finch’s telling, this was a watershed moment: he offered a ‘professional working relationship’ but the relationship quickly soured.

‘I know you’re trying to get rid of me,’ Fogarty said, according to Finch. ‘Well, you can’t get rid of me. The way it works around here is: your councillors play ball.’ Finch allegedly replied: ‘Are you joking? You have to work with us. It’s not the other way around. We’ve been put here by the electorate. You haven’t.’ He says now: ‘The old Tory leader just gave her loads of delegated powers.’

Reform has just marked 100 days running 12 town halls across the country, a period which has seen clashes between elected councillors and the permanent bureaucracy. These have been most acute in Warwickshire, ground zero in Reform’s fight to show it can get things done in the face of resistance from ‘the blob’ of permanent officials.

In Warwickshire, Finch and Fogarty first fell out when Finch demanded the removal of the Pride flag from council HQ. Fogarty refused, though the flag came down at the end of Pride month. When told she did not have the necessary planning permission to fly the flag, Fogarty said there was no formal policy for doing so. Finch is pushing for a ban, which requires a vote in full council.

The confrontation turned ugly after Finch says council legal advisers told him he wouldn’t have a leg to stand on if Reform opposed plans to remodel a junction, sending HGVs past a school to an industrial zone. ‘You can’t stop it,’ he was told. ‘You’ll go into judicial review.’ When the issue came up in council and an amendment was tabled to delay the plans, only at that point did the legal adviser reverse the advice and tell Finch he could defer a decision. His councillors told him he had been ‘stitched up’ by officials who had wanted to push the plan through. Reform backed the delay.

Farage’s team point to Fogarty’s background as a race relations officer to say she was ideologically opposed to a crackdown on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) policies. Finch says: ‘When it came to policy on DEI and net zero, it was literally like Yes Minister. Officials said: “Are you sure this is what you want to do? Voters might not like it.” But this is why we were elected.’ When Finch asked to look at Fogarty’s employment contract, he was at first told she didn’t have one. After three weeks, a document appeared with details redacted. Warwickshire county council declined to provide a response prior to publication to any of Finch’s claims.

Warwickshire is not the only battlefield. In Kent, where Reform is imitating Donald Trump’s Doge unit to slash waste, officials resisted moves to scrap a net-zero renewables programme that involved the purchase of a fleet of electric vehicles and was to cost nearly £40 million. Luke Campbell, the Olympic gold-medallist boxer elected mayor of Hull and East Yorkshire, told the Telegraph that officials were blocking his agenda. They say his ‘one-man band’ approach created a ‘toxic working environment’.

These clashes are a sign of what a Reform government might be up against if they win national power in 2029. Official resistance takes several forms: an ideological opposition by left-wing local officials to the policies of the populist right; a belief in experience over politicians who have not run a bath, let alone a £1 billion budget; a preference for process over political pronouncements; and a power struggle between those who have a public mandate and those who think they know best.

Simon Case, who worked for David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson in No. 10 and who wrestled with Dominic Cummings’s efforts to reform/blow up Whitehall, admits there can be ideological differences: ‘You have to spend a lot of time as cabinet secretary, reminding the whole system of what the civil service code says, which is that you’re there to support the government of the day, no matter how uncomfortable that is. Ultimately, if you don’t want to work for them, resign.’ He commends Oliver Robbins, the permanent secretary at the Foreign Office, who recently wrote to his staff telling them to resign if they didn’t like Labour’s policy on Gaza.

Case has publicly recommended that the civil service admit Reform to contact talks with mandarins 12 months before the 2029 general election, if there is any prospect of them even sharing power. He says there is an onus on officials to anticipate ‘cultural changes’, as well as policy changes, to ‘learn the language’ of the ‘new boss class’.

When he presided over the transition from Tories to Labour, Case told civil servants: ‘Here’s a bunch of people who aren’t going to talk about “levelling up” any more. They care about exactly that same thing, but don’t call it “levelling up”. Read the speeches and read the manifesto so you understand their way of thinking.’

But he also urges Farage not to assume that he can simply transpose the lessons of Warwickshire on to Whitehall. ‘Politicians across the political spectrum are united in their frustration that the British system isn’t delivering,’ Case says. ‘The really interesting question for Reform is will they do the homework required to understand immediately the changes they need to make in how government works? Nigel Farage probably never spends time at the Institute for Government [thinktank] – but read what the IfG says about what is wrong with government, what is wrong with the bureaucracy and the laws that have put unaccountable officials in charge of things instead of politicians.’

Case says ‘most of the time’ clashes between officials and ministers come about because civil servants say: ‘Here are all the reasons why you can’t do what you want to do because you don’t actually have the power to do it.’ The main target for Reform is the European Convention on Human Rights, which lets judges defy ministers and voters on migration. But huge power also resides with quangocrats in arms-length organisations. Morgan McSweeney, Starmer’s chief of staff, complains that 60 per cent of government press officers are working against his own spin-doctors for taxpayer-funded organisations with agendas of their own.

Case can see a scenario in which a prepared Reform government produces a great repeal bill with the Brexit slogan ‘Take back control’. He explains: ‘If they did their homework, you could remove all of those obstacles at a stroke. It’s not just the top things, like scrapping the Office for Budget Responsibility, but here are all the people who can block planning applications for motorways or power stations. Here are all the statutory consultees every time you launch a new business support programme.’

Reform’s voters tend to think the system has failed and want to destroy it rather than make it function better. But Labour voters also thought the system had failed and they are now being let down by Starmer’s inability to deliver the change he promised. McSweeney spent the pre-election period working on how to win rather than how to govern, wrongly assuming Sue Gray was taking care of that. Since he replaced her in October he has, an ally says, become ‘infected with governmentitis’ – a near manic obsession with how the system fails.

Farage’s attention is now on how to secure national power for the first time, but if the opportunity is presented to him, it will be because everything else has failed and the whole country – as well as his voters – will need him to make a success of it. As America’s founding father Benjamin Franklin put it: ‘Fail to prepare and you prepare to fail.’ If Farage does not develop a plan for governing as well as winning, it won’t just be the blob that is to blame.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:40 pm 
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I'd guess that, if anyone looked into it properly, there would be a huge dollop of this kind of thing in Wolverhampton.

I suspect the whole vanity project there is more attributable to officials than councillors, but the latter happy to go along with it all, and spout the official platitudes about efficiency and that safety is paramount, and all that kind of stuff.

And I'm pretty sure many of the councillors and officials now regret it all hugely, as they've effectively said. But again it's difficult for councillors to get anything done about it, and even officials who are having second thoughts will realise that unwinding it all will be difficult.

So they do nothing very much, effectively, and PR/comms and the 'optics' takes over.

And now maybe they're thinking it's best just to not do much, and leave it to Whitehall and Westminster to sort it all it, and force them to wind it all down. To that extent they can shift the blame for the inevitable blood on the carpet :roll:

If they did announce anything huge then it would be an admittance of guilt, effectively, and much egg on face :oops:


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