Taxi Driver Online

funny .........why didnt you think we were dayshift?
or a bit of both
personally i do both whatever suits whereever the money is.

thiers fours eeee's in werever and no s's in four.
just to save you typing.
last time you started this you made a right arse of youreself.
goldfish brain

right lads ..........he's gone, feck that guys annnoying

Because I employ people to work for me.

I quite enjoy sitting here watching Robocop, having a glass of Chianti and smoking King Edwards (cigars not potatoes).

On Tuesday morning I think I'll sack someone, for no reason at all. Because I can.

Lets make it someone with kids and a morgage!!!

Thanks for the idea skull

Captain cab

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You've chucked it that quotes not mine and incidentally your brother probably wouldn't let you take a pi** by yourself so don't kid yourself on.

Sack someone

What a dreamer

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Taxi 1 on fasties worte:


I would like to say that this was an interesting and well put together original statement of fact, but unfortunately it is simply the same old twaddle that I have heard and read over the last 30 years. It is simply the ramblings of a person who cannot make it in the real world by his own ability to stand on his own two feet .

The document itself as the Cap said is an accumulation of existing mis-interpretations of statistics and documents which have previously been published.

It is interesting to see that the author classes himself as the spokesman for the entire driver population of Edinburgh, but after e-mailing the report to three drivers today in Edinburgh, they assured me they knew nothing of this report and disagreed totally with its content.

The ending of the report tells me that the author has no confidence in it whatsoever, otherwise he would have been prepared to have signed his name.

Need more be said?

However, it is without doubt one of the most boring documents it has been my misfortune to have read, and moreover it is in my opinion, libellous and scurrilous towards parties who cannot defend themselves at this time.

I am sure that anyone in a position of authority, who reads this document will see it for what it is - the ramblings of a malcontent minority.

Mr T ........ prayer prayer prayer prayer prayer



A devastating critique by Mr. T


Someones not happy can't think why:roll:

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Mr T's pal the Cap cap tells us everyone who pays 40k for a plate is a “Mug”. Then wants everyone to pay it because it’s not a cartel it’s just a lot of happy “mugs” with 40K



You just could not make this stuff up.


Check back the posts and read it for yourself

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
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Have a look on fasties talk about panic Mr. T is all over the place the begging bowl is already being passed around.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Trinity Mirror Wrote:

I have no axe to grind. I just want information about what is happening in the taxi trade.

This report readslike a balanced and considered assessment of the situation. However I am also willing to listen to counter arguments. The report asks questions, rather than dictating.

Will someone from the Council be able to answer these questions honestly?

AlanG, can you please give examples of where the report:

bends statistics

quotes half-truths

generally omits anything which doesn't fit his conclusions

This will take me some way towards understanding the report further.


Someone should tell Trinity Mirror if she wants the truth TDO is the place to be.

Do you think Alan Gladrags will allow anyone to answer from this side of the fence?

Not a chance

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I think those quota loving folk will, in the main, just slag off the authors.

Because they struggle, as they did with M&R, to slag off the content.

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There's been a lot of talk about cartels and what they mean or what they might mean. The object of a cartel is to fix something that restricts competition. Normally the item being fixed is the price of the commodity being offered to the public, such as what happened in Bury when private hire operators suggested they charge the same fares.

The document in question is no doubt inferring that by restricting entry to the Taxi trade the council is in some way operating and participating as a joint cartel with vested interests in exclusion to the taxi market? The document suggests that the council's own consultative committee, which embraces members of the taxi trade and in particular those with a vested interest in exclusion, is acting as a conduit for the particular vested interests which foster exclusion?

Up to a few years ago Edinburgh council had a policy of not restricting licenses but when they opted for that policy they had an opportunity to go down the road of Quality control of both vehicle and drivers. They alone chose the level of controls that best suited them and they only have themselves to blame for any mismanagement of that policy because they had the opportunity to changed it at any time.

The Chicken and egg scenario of who decided to reintroduce numbers control is interesting, was it the Council, or was it pressure from existing taxi owners? If it was pressure from existing owners it would be right to assume that they wanted to exclude others from entering the taxi trade in order that they can make more money for less hours. That is understandable but it was obviously the first step in controlling the market by those owners who exerted pressure on the council.

If the council agreed to do the biding of the owners then they themselves were complicit in bringing about the situation were market entry was controlled at the behest of existing vested interests. Consequently by their past and present actions the council are being complicit by upholding the status quo and agreeing to carry out the bidding of the hire committee in excluding new licenses.

A cartel, by any other word is a means of control it doesn't matter if you control prices or try to control the market in the way afforded councils through legislation. The fact is that councils have a given right by law that allows them to control the Taxi market if they can prove there is no unmet demand in their area for the services of Taxis. However this clause does not address the meaning of the word cartel it just creates an opportunity for councils to legally operate one, whether it be for their own benefit or someone else's?

Perhaps the word cartel is not one I personally would have used so broadly but in defence of the document it does draw the assumption that a cartel can have more than one element to its purpose. This is highlighted in the current legal activity of CEC in doing everything it possibly can to crush license applicants by totally disregarding their statutory duties towards those applicants. Not withstanding the four court judgements that have gone against them which specifically stated they were wrong in law, I think CEC have demonstrated quite clearly that their policy of restriction is based on something other than the best public service.

It might be fairly obvious to some that the Jacobs part of the document came from information penned from my hand, that is correct. The rest of the document is credited to others who no doubt spent a lot of time and effort in trying to put across a different perspective to those that operate under a different agenda.

Regards

JD

I think members of the public would be greately interested in what part they play in 40,000 big ones? Vested intrest groups chasing punters into the hands of the local bus and Ph companies rather than competing for the public’s custome. I wonder why? Could it be they don’t want to provide a service to the public? Might it be that giving drivers plates would force existing plate holder to do the work themselves? No more absent plate holders? And no more hiked drivers rentals and plate premiums?

Oh dear how much would a plate be worth then? How much would rentals be?

That’s right now I remember this is all in the public interest, my ar*.

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A cartel is an agreement to restrict/distort the market, and price is only the most obvious facet of competition to agree on, but the OFT (for example) lists several others:

prices
output levels
discounts
credit terms
which customers they will supply
which areas they will supply
who should win a contract (bid rigging)

The best know cartel is OPEC, which manipulates the market by restricting output, which in turn drives up prices.

And since there's no legal regime capable of taking on OPEC, then to that extent the cartel is not illegal, thus the allusion that anyone using the term cartel is implying illegality is wrong.

Even if an LA has complied with every legal requirement as regards restricting taxi numbers then I would still call it a cartel, because it's in essence an agreement between the LA and the local taxi trade to restrict access to the market.

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Yes, that went well in Dundee and Aberdeen, innit?

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You just don't give up, boy. £40k? you are about the only saddo that keeps bringing it up. Nobody else in Edinburgh cares or even bothers about plate values.

As for a cartel, it just doesn't exist.

As you well know the primary aim of quantity control is to balance the demand for taxis with the need for operators and drivers to earn sufficient to maintain the required standard of vehicle and service, AND make a living. As far as Edinburgh goes, even Taylor (in another life) acknowledged that standards (like vehicle age and condition) would drop in an unrestricted market.

Why do you continue the pretence? All you want is revenge by destroying the whole taxi trade in Edinburgh. Deny that, if you dare.

Abundantly clear, they, along with the drivers paying the crazy rents, are the ones who pay it.

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IDFIMH