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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:32 am 
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Do you know Skull, I find you a really interesting person,I am loathe to say that but I really do :?


Dont use me as your Moral Compass,dont look up to me and dont think I am a saint, I am not, however, you indeed must go to bed wondering why you are such a bas****, that very question has crossed my mind as well :lol:

But should a young womens or mans life course be altered or ruined for £25,perhaps if it was all their own doing, but reading the article it does not sound as though it was, I was not blaming the driver or the sat nav, but in situations like that sat nav is useless, if you dont know the spelling, I find it a strange story, but theres probably more to it than meets the eye.


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Do you know Skull, I find you a really interesting person,I am loathe to say that but I really do :?


Dont use me as your Moral Compass,dont look up to me and dont think I am a saint, I am not, however, you indeed must go to bed wondering why you are such a bas****, that very question has crossed my mind as well :lol:

But should a young womens or mans life course be altered or ruined for £25,perhaps if it was all their own doing, but reading the article it does not sound as though it was, I was not blaming the driver or the sat nav, but in situations like that sat nav is useless, if you dont know the spelling, I find it a strange story, but theres probably more to it than meets the eye.


In all my time as a taxi driver I have never known anyone to set out with the purpose in mind to defraud a young female. The risks and the hassle involved with young women are just not worth it. You do your best to avoid conflict. I think it would be any driver’s natural instinct to do their best under the circumstances.

This particular driver let her out the taxi after clocking up £25,000 I would take a bet he did it to prevent any false accusations. As you and I both know women can say just about anything and get away with it.

The one letter wrong in the street name routine is bull*** I simply don’t believe it. On the other hand let’s suppose it’s true. At what point did she tell the taxi driver she had no money, before she got in or £25,000 later. Then all of a sudden she’s the injured party not expecting to pay. The driver is the bad guy after driving away from £25.00 and he’s not expected to call the police.

The police then charge her without first trying to resolve the issue. I don’t think so. Two cops a day in court for what exactly?

Well you tell me Stu “should a young women’s or mans life course be altered or ruined for £25”. Perhaps you would be happier if she accused him of rape then you really would have a victim?

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Well we shall have to wait and see what happens, but according to the website their cabs are all fitted with the datamaster 2000 NOW WITH G.P.S. Satellite Tracking :? so someones telling a porky somewhere.

http://www.ayrblacktaxis.com/index.htm


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stu wrote:
Well we shall have to wait and see what happens, but according to the website their cabs are all fitted with the datamaster 2000 NOW WITH G.P.S. Satellite Tracking :? so someones telling a porky somewhere.

http://www.ayrblacktaxis.com/index.htm



Have you ever considered why this female? How many years the guys been driving? And why after what probably amounts to thousands of fares, he decides to take someone the wrong way who doesn't have a bolt, let her go look for the money, then drive away without it?

This has probably cost the driver well in excess of £25.00


Makes perfect sense to me. :?

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This particular driver let her out the taxi after clocking up £25,000

F*** me, that was job of the day. :lol:

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Back to the original point.
Sat nav is the worst thing to happen to the cab game, driver's put an address in and follow what the sat nav say's regardless of the fact that it could be taking them the wrong way!!! :shock:
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I dont think this would have happened in England.

If she disputed the fare it would then have been a civil matter and it's unlikely the police would have wanted to become involved, she apparently didn't 'bilk' (do a runner) so the offence wasn't arrestable on that basis.

Did she obtain pecuniary advantage by deception?

I am not too sure, however, I tend to agree with skull, if she thought the fare was going to be £5, then surely a word in the drivers ear telling him she only had a £5 would have kind of resolved it a little quicker.

The article doesnt say if the driver was on a radio circuit and I wonder if he was unsure of the destination why a call to his office wasnt made. (although it might have been but wasnt put in the story).

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If she disputed the fare it would then have been a civil matter and it's unlikely the police would have wanted to become involved, she apparently didn't 'bilk' (do a runner) so the offence wasn't arrestable on that basis.


This is indeed the way i viewed it which is why i was a little confused as to why it had gone so far, but your also right when you say, IF INDEED THIS IS THE WHOLE STORY. Which somehow i doubt :shock:

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I hope she gets off - it's entirely reasonable for her not to have the money considering that she thought the journey a short one, and she may well have reasonably considered that there might be money at the house she was going to.

On the information we're provided surely the case hasn't been proved beyond 'all reasonable doubt'.



I get in a Taxi and I think it is reasonable to pay. Nothing complicated in that? I watch the meter knowing I don't have the cash? I know I can't pay? I don't then run up a £25.00 bill on the off chance I might come across the money at the other end of my journey, or do I? I then go into the house and don't come back out. I don't expect the Taxi driver to phone the police after an hour's work for squat? The police get involved and just happen to charge me while I am offering the money for my stupidity. I end up in court, the biggest surprise yet.

Is that beyond 'all reasonable doubt or stupidity?

My personal experience tells me that Police Officers are loathed to charge anyone with taxi fraud.

I doubt very much charging this female was not a last resort?

Enough doubt to know she's a lying cow. :wink:


But the fact is that it's for the prosecution to prove that she was acting fraudulently beyond all reasonable doubt, not for the prosecution to doubt her story - if all you say is that you doubt her story then she gets off.

I was expressing an opinion based on the facts presented in the article, nothing more, and to that extent I think there's good grounds to say that there's reasonable doubts about her criminality.

Even in a normal journey if she'd had to get money at the other end then if she genuinely believed she would then I think it's more a civil matter, and given the circumstances of the case surely there's even more cause to give her the benefit of the doubt.

But as in cases of this sort, there's probably a lot more to this than meets the eye, but on the facts presented I wouldn't convict.

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How many years the guys been driving?


Sounds like he's been driving about five minutes if you ask me :lol:

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Sat Nav? Bring the Knowledge in I say. [-X

. . thats why Ollie does well in his side of the trade. :shock:


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Got to agree with GBC.(people will start talking :D )

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Tell me something is there anywhere you go that costs money and you don’t check you have the money fist? The local shops, the cinema, a bus trip, the local swimming pool, a taxi home, tell me which one?

You know you don’t have the cash what do you do, who do you phone?

No, what you do is jump into a taxi not knowing your exact destination and run up a fare of £25.00 and blame the cabby.

At what point did she think the money did not matter? Before she got in the cab? After the fare went over a fiver, when the meter stopped at £25.00 or when she forgot to come back out the house?

Or maybe it was when the police arrived and she offered to pay the money, before they charged her with taxi fraud?:roll: :roll:


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skull the voice of reason.well put!


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No need for sarcasm Mr Diesel :lol:

Indeed, the more I think about this, the more it seems to stink.

So the girl gets into a black cab for a journey of around a couple of miles. She gets one letter in the address wrong, the driver takes her to the correct area, drives around looking for it, then drives back to where they started and eventually racks up £25 for a £5 fare!!

Couldn't he have asked someone in the area they went to? Asked his office? Consulted a map?

If it'd been me I'd have told him to stick the £25 up his backside and offered him the fiver and if he objected told him he was lucky to get anything at all.

If a taxi driver doesn't know the whereabouts of an address a couple of miles away and can't take steps to find out where it is if he doesn't, and instead has to rely on the person spelling it to the exact letter then he shouldn't really be in the job.

He was either a beginner or a crap taxi driver as far as I can tell.

If I'd been the driver I would have accepted that it was in large part my fault and charged a reasonable fare.

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