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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:52 am 
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After a period of adjustment, I reckon we'd win through.


More questions jim

How long would the period of adjustment be, weeks, months, years ?

What price would taxi drivers pay during the period of adjustment ?

Why only reckon, why not guarantee we'd win through ?

Still waiting on the answers jim.


Ross

These questions have all been addressed. Why don't you contact Mr G of fasties and ask him to regurgitate same. Of course, you'd have to strip out all the attacks on me which detracted from the argument. Then you'd have to strip all the invective I spewed out trying to defend myself from these inane attacks.

Anyway. Adjustments? How long? Who knows? Indeed, who cares? I do know that the council will do nothing about de-restricting - which is gonna happen - until they've got the expanded cab office in place to handle the process. To their credit, CEC will not allow the process to descend into the farce which happened in Dublin. We should be grateful.

I foresee a steady trickle of new licences until demand is met. I guess we will have time to adjust.

What price will taxi drivers have to pay? I don't really care. I tried to play fair. I warned what was going down. I was slaughtered. Now it's going to happen and we all know this to be true. You only have to look at the clamour in the press. Keep watching the Evening News. The trade may not like this newspaper, not without justification, but I suspect it will be at the forefront of what happens.

However, the whole thing truly excites me. I know my working pattern will change. But, I will be able to control my working environment like never before. I will work when my customers are there, needing my services. And, when they're not, then I've already worked out a few alternative avenues to maximise the investment I'm more than ready to make. Of course, I could divulge these matters to you. But not on a forum like this. No way, I would prime guys with little imaginaton to compete directly with me, would I?

Guarantee? There are no guarantees. Nowhere in life are we ever guaranteed anything. I suspect you are already wise enough to know this.

Forget guarantees. Cue excitement. You are gonna be given the opportunity to control your own destiny like never before. If you can think outside the box, you're gonna make the fortune you dream of. Hey, you may even one day thank the very people you currently hate for bringing this about.

Go to it. Be creatrive. Seize opportunities and be the best you can be. I know you can do it. I know we can do it. Especially when we're freed of the nonsense of the vested interests who are stifling us.


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If I drove one of these cabs then I would be asking for a reduction of rent, seems reasonable to me, after all it's all about costs.

Whilst I have never been in favour of derestriction of numbers, there are those that are simply taking the p^$$ just now and if this trend continues then maybe we should all look at this issue again.
As a driver i would support an "elite" and well trained trade, but if as likely the morons prevail then we are probably better freed from any restriction.

Regards

Cablag.


When the reps of these Historical companies (dode aird) and CRT's jokes are willing to lower standards by example then what chance of any drivers defending the trade...Derestrict now for the better of the trade without doubt, to defend the existing position would be detremental to the majority of the trade.

Ragards

Cablag.




Is this another worm on the turn? I remember when this guy vehemently opposed de-restriction, strange but true. Would you believe since my letter in the Evening News I’ve had drivers on the phone asking when the council were likely to de-restrict. More and more want to take their chances rather than pay rentals or plate premiums they have no control over.

What next I ask myself? :shock:

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If I drove one of these cabs then I would be asking for a reduction of rent, seems reasonable to me, after all it's all about costs.

Whilst I have never been in favour of derestriction of numbers, there are those that are simply taking the p^$$ just now and if this trend continues then maybe we should all look at this issue again.
As a driver i would support an "elite" and well trained trade, but if as likely the morons prevail then we are probably better freed from any restriction.

Regards

Cablag.

Saul on the road to Damascus comes to mind.


When the reps of these Historical companies (dode aird) and CRT's jokes are willing to lower standards by example then what chance of any drivers defending the trade...Derestrict now for the better of the trade without doubt, to defend the existing position would be detremental to the majority of the trade.

Ragards

Cablag.




Is this another worm on the turn? I remember when this guy vehemently opposed de-restriction, strange but true. Would you believe since my letter in the Evening News I’ve had drivers on the phone asking when the council were likely to de-restrict. More and more want to take their chances rather than pay rentals or plate premiums they have no control over.

What next I ask myself? :shock:


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Cablag on Fasties Wrote:

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If I drove one of these cabs then I would be asking for a reduction of rent, seems reasonable to me, after all it's all about costs.

Whilst I have never been in favour of derestriction of numbers, there are those that are simply taking the p^$$ just now and if this trend continues then maybe we should all look at this issue again.
As a driver i would support an "elite" and well trained trade, but if as likely the morons prevail then we are probably better freed from any restriction.

Regards

Cablag.


When the reps of these Historical companies (dode aird) and CRT's jokes are willing to lower standards by example then what chance of any drivers defending the trade...Derestrict now for the better of the trade without doubt, to defend the existing position would be detremental to the majority of the trade.

Ragards

Cablag.




Is this another worm on the turn? I remember when this guy vehemently opposed de-restriction, strange but true. Would you believe since my letter in the Evening News I’ve had drivers on the phone asking when the council were likely to de-restrict. More and more want to take their chances rather than pay rentals or plate premiums they have no control over.

What next I ask myself? :shock:


Saul on the road to Damascus comes to mind.


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CHANGE THE TAXI BUSINESS FOR THE BETTER


http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lette ... 1054662006[/quote]



A quality article Jim =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

It's all over bar the shouting \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

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The Edinburgh Evening News is hard up for comment just now that they print the likes of this trash from the "wannabe and failed"

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lette ... 1054662006 (The third letter down)

Sad to think that he wants more taxis to solve the problem of not enough work; flawed logic that nobody else can follow - but then we're all "servile idiot(s)s, nobrainers and the like" to loosely quote the likes of Taylor and Thomson.

Scottie



I think Scottie is shi**ing himself perhaps there's a little plate value hiding in the background I say little simply because its soon to be worth £700 and not £50,000. Scottie might even have to drive his taxi himself, imagine that, no little £300 rental propping up his little world.


Question- Where did Alan G dig up this Turkey he's really hit the Jackpot this time. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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How long would the period of adjustment be, weeks, months, years ?


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. Adjustments? How long? Who knows? Indeed, who cares?


You care, remember your only doing 2 jobs an hour, how long can you survive ? 14 years till you retirement.
I expected a better answer.

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What price would taxi drivers pay during the period of adjustment ?


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I don't really care.


You haven't answered the question.

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Why only reckon, why not guarantee we'd win through ?


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There are no guarantees.


If you are so confident that your ideology is right, then it must be a guaranteed success ?

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However, the whole thing truly excites me. I know my working pattern will change. But, I will be able to control my working environment like never before. I will work when my customers are there, needing my services.


First of all I take it you are now up for a plate ?

Question: Do you not think that everybody else will do the same thus diluting the already excisting work ?

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I foresee a steady trickle of new licences until demand is met.


Question: What demand are you talking about, the demand for plates or the public demand for taxis?

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If you can think outside the box,


Question: What box are you refering to ?


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without having to pay the outrageous current £50,000 artificial "value" of the licence plate

Are plates really going for £50,000? :shock:

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Sussex wrote:
without having to pay the outrageous current £50,000 artificial "value" of the licence plate

Are plates really going for £50,000? :shock:



Yes Sussex they really are going for £50,000 :shock: this probably equates to the public waiting for taxis :shock: or drivers being denied their own plates :shock: or a bit of both what do you think? :shock:


Maybe Ross would like to tell us where the £50,000 plate value comes from?

Lucky the politicians seem to be better informed than Ross. :wink:

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Maybe Ross would like to tell us where the £50,000 plate value comes from?


I think you are more informed than me, remind me where the value of the plates you sold came from.


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Maybe Ross would like to tell us where the £50,000 plate value comes from?


I think you are more informed than me, remind me where the value of the plates you sold came from.



Come on Ross I asked you first don't tell me the question is to hard? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:32 am 
Ross wrote:
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How long would the period of adjustment be, weeks, months, years ?


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. Adjustments? How long? Who knows? Indeed, who cares?


You care, remember your only doing 2 jobs an hour, how long can you survive ? 14 years till you retirement.
I expected a better answer.

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What price would taxi drivers pay during the period of adjustment ?


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I don't really care.


You haven't answered the question.

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Why only reckon, why not guarantee we'd win through ?


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There are no guarantees.


If you are so confident that your ideology is right, then it must be a guaranteed success ?

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However, the whole thing truly excites me. I know my working pattern will change. But, I will be able to control my working environment like never before. I will work when my customers are there, needing my services.


First of all I take it you are now up for a plate ?

Question: Do you not think that everybody else will do the same thus diluting the already excisting work ?

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I foresee a steady trickle of new licences until demand is met.


Question: What demand are you talking about, the demand for plates or the public demand for taxis?

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If you can think outside the box,


Question: What box are you refering to ?


Dear oh dear Ross,

Has someone replaced your medication with a placebo?

Now, I feel silly. I though you were a rare commodity - a multi brain-celled cabbie.

Why don't you read my post again and see if you can better understand it.

Then come back to me with real questionbs and I'll see whether I have the time to answer.

(as an aside) Sorry Keith, can you hang on a wee minute till I deal with this. Shouldn't take long ...

As you can see Ross I've got something else on. Try again. It's not really that difficult. Just look at the words and concentrate.

Keep calm, and I'll speak to you in the morning.

Sleep tight.

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Ross the owners ars*licker on fasties Wrote:


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CITY CABS FARES RANKED 165TH

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=1060702006

Tucked away in a corner of the paper.

When was the last time anyone seen taxi and ph mention in the paper, in the same sentence ?
"EDINBURGH'S taxis and private hire vehicles are only the 165th most expensive in the country according to a new study."


"The questions in our survey, which I must point out I didn't set, refer only to "taxis". For that reason, I chose not to mention private hire vehicles, as I am personally aware of the differences and I know how much it upsets the trade to talk about both black cabs and phvs in the same breath. The Evening News has made that mistake on a number of occasions, and we have tried to make sure it doesn't happen again.
That said, I imagine the huge majority of people answering these questions classed "taxis" as either cabs or phvs. Most people on the street don't differentiate in the same way that the trade does." (Alan Roden evening news replying to an e-mail I sent him last week complaining about his failure to mention ph being on the same tarriff and other things)

Why change a habit of a lifetime ?

From the same e-mail
"It is very hard to quantify just how expensive Edinburgh's taxis are, because although the council says they come number 123 in the UK, other research has found them to be the dearest outside London and among the most expensive in the whole world."

The other research was by the Scotsman, and you would think there would be an apology in yesterdays article for getting it wrong. Pigs may fly




Ross has it not dawned on you :roll: no one wants a taxi owner to have a £50,000 plate "value" false or not?

So why in hells teeth would they want to pay a higher tariff?:roll:

The public and Politicians across all parties don't want plate "values" going any higher regardless of what they might say publicly, they just want to burn greedy taxi owners at the stake.

Taxi owners are now fare game, pardon the pun. :-({|=

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Ross has it not dawned on you no one wants a taxi owner to have a £50,000 plate "value" false or not?

So why in hells teeth would they want to pay a higher tariff?

The public and Politicians across all parties don't want plate "values" going any higher regardless of what they might say publicly, they just want to burn greedy taxi owners at the stake.

Taxi owners are now fare game, pardon the pun.


First things first Garry, you and your gang are the only ones to complain about plate values. I have yet to read anything from the public or politicians about plate values.

The article I was refering to had nothing to do with plate values, it had to do about false reporting and the double standards of evening news reporters.

You always go on about the public knowing the truth, or is it double standards for you too?

I have gone on record as saying that plate values are over the top, but tell me Garry, where the values of your plates not over the top ?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:05 am 
Ross

Do you honestly think that the guy walking past the taxi rank cares where Edinburgh is placed on the list of fare tarrifs?

What concerns him is what it will take out of his pocket to put into yours so he can get home.

The undeniable truth is that our taxi trade hiked the tariff at precisely the time we didn't need it. Passenger numbers falling, pressure from smoking bans, tourist numbers stripped back to the bare bones of stag and hen parties - not the quality spend of North American and European tourists - and we hike our tariffs?

What a good piece of market forces that was.

And think of what the reality of high tariffs is?

Private hire can undercut us and still make real money. This encourages every man and his dog to claim a piece of the action. A piece of YOUR action.

Even the rickshaws appear a cost-effective option.

And there's every incentive for motorised tuk tuks.

We should be trying to use the price mechanism to squeeze these guys out of our market. Encourage them to take their "enterprise" elesewhere.

Rather than hike tariffs, I rather see one more bum sitting in my taxi every hour.

Hey, that bum wouldn't be you by any chance?

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