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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:29 pm 
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Hull and Hastings have both retained numbers. There are only 12 councils left to decide on policy. The latest update can be read here…….

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/quotalas.pdf

Sefton Council have a survey presentation today at 6-30 from KNW, this is the outfit who surveyed both Trafford and Bath. For some reason Sefton didn't employ Jacobs, I wonder why?


Agenda

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26437.

Survey Report several annexes.

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26446

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26447

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26448

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26449

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26450

Sefton Taxi working group minutes. I wonder why Mr Jones wasn't invited?

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26444

Other Sefton reports from August.

Licensing expenditure

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26204

Sefton P/H Hack news letter

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26205

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26206

Advice for drivers

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26207

Receipt of survey report.

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26208

Establishment of permanent Hackney Carriage / Private hire office facilities in Southport

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26209

Consultation on transferring licensing functions to one stop shop facility. Notice Mr Jones contribution.

http://cmis.sefton.gov.uk/CMISWebPublic ... ment=26201

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I wonder why you highlight sefton and not the other LA's? and why mention Mr Jones?

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captain cab wrote:
I wonder why you highlight sefton and not the other LA's? and why mention Mr Jones?


I thought it newsworthy to note that Mr Jones was not part of the Sefton Taxi and private hire working group. I also thought it newsworthy to note that Mr Jones contribution to the "transfer of licensing functions" was submitted independently and on behalf of no one but himself. I take this to mean he probably represents no official organisation in Sefton and the only person he now speaks for, is himself?

Unless you know different?

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I thought it newsworthy to note that Mr Jones was not part of the Sefton Taxi and private hire working group. I also thought it newsworthy to note that Mr Jones contribution to the "transfer of licensing functions" was submitted independently and on behalf of no one but himself. I take this to mean he probably represents no official organisation in Sefton and the only person he now speaks for, is himself?

Unless you know different?

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I understand different, and have minutes to the contrary.

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captain cab wrote:
I wonder why you highlight sefton and not the other LA's? and why mention Mr Jones?

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If a past or present forum member appears in the press or in official documents then surely that's newsworthy vis-a-vis the forum?

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Hull and Hastings have both retained numbers. There are only 12 councils left to decide on policy. The latest update can be read here…….

So 18 months or so after the deadline 12 councils still haven't got around to reviewing their policy. [-(

Bit pi** poor really. :sad:

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If a past or present forum member appears in the press or in official documents then surely that's newsworthy vis-a-vis the forum?


I think its rather selective

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I thought it newsworthy to note that Mr Jones was not part of the Sefton Taxi and private hire working group. I also thought it newsworthy to note that Mr Jones contribution to the "transfer of licensing functions" was submitted independently and on behalf of no one but himself. I take this to mean he probably represents no official organisation in Sefton and the only person he now speaks for, is himself?

Unless you know different?

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I understand different, and have minutes to the contrary.


You have minutes showing what for instance? That Mr Jones did attend the working group on the day in question?

I have no idea of knowing who is a part of the Sefton working group I only know that Mr Jones wasn't a part of the working group on that particular day, according to the minutes. I also note that there was no apology of absence.

Are you saying he was there?

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You have minutes showing what for instance? That Mr Jones did attend the working group on the day in question?

I have no idea of knowing who is a part of the Sefton working group I only know that Mr Jones wasn't a part of the working group on that particular day, according to the minutes. I also note that there was no apology of absence.

Are you saying he was there?

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To be honest I havent got a clue about the movements of Mr. Jones, I do however have minutes of previous meetings where Mr.Jones was present.

As for apologies for absence, we have 51 members in Carlisle, so far I have received 1 apology for tommorrows AGM, when 15-20 people turn up, it doesnt means we have lost 30 paying members. :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:58 pm 
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JD wrote:
Hull and Hastings have both retained numbers. There are only 12 councils left to decide on policy. The latest update can be read here…….

So 18 months or so after the deadline 12 councils still haven't got around to reviewing their policy. [-(

Bit pi** poor really. :sad:


If you read the latest update there is a sinister move by one of the councils. I suspect if I hadn't brought it up it may have slipped by everyone?

Even now, I have a feeling only the sharp eyed will see the dastly deed?

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You have minutes showing what for instance? That Mr Jones did attend the working group on the day in question?

I have no idea of knowing who is a part of the Sefton working group I only know that Mr Jones wasn't a part of the working group on that particular day, according to the minutes. I also note that there was no apology of absence.

Are you saying he was there?

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To be honest I havent got a clue about the movements of Mr. Jones, I do however have minutes of previous meetings where Mr.Jones was present.


Perhaps you have answered your original question because some people might find it newsworthy that a man who represents no one but himself is allowed to sit in on a working group that makes decisions on behalf of others? If Mr Jones is a part of the Working group then whom does he represent? We know he doesn't represent the local Taxi trade through any local organisation so why would he be on the working group? Why should one individual who represents no one but himself be allowed to make policy in respect of the local trade?

It is my understanding that he doesn't officially represent anyone in Sefton but you can obviously set the matter straight by proving I am wrong?

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Perhaps you have answered your original question because some people might find it newsworthy that a man who represents no one but himself is allowed to sit in on a working group that makes decisions on behalf of others? If Mr Jones is a part of the Working group then whom does he represent? We know he doesn't represent the local Taxi trade through any local organisation so why would he be on the working group? Why should one individual who represents no one but himself be allowed to make policy in respect of the local trade?

It is my understanding that he doesn't officially represent anyone in Sefton but you can obviously set the matter straight by proving I am wrong?

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You are of course presuming Mr. Jones represents no-one, which I dont actually agree with.

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Why should one individual who represents no one but himself be allowed to make policy in respect of the local trade?


You mean like Private Hire Operators? Who represent their own businesses?

Of course, you will be aware that trade representatives dont make policy in respect of the local trade, thats the job of the LA?

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It is my understanding that he doesn't officially represent anyone in Sefton but you can obviously set the matter straight by proving I am wrong?


I believe you are incorrect, for all you know Mr Jones may represent 'Carlisle TOA left handed shotgun users of Sefton' branch :wink:

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You are of course presuming Mr. Jones represents no-one, which I dont actually agree with.


You might not agree but the facts speak for themselves and officially in Sefton he represents no one but himself.

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You mean like Private Hire Operators? Who represent their own businesses?


I haven't got a clue to the status of Mr Delta cars or who he represents, do you? However, he's not the subject we're debating.


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Of course, you will be aware that trade representatives dont make policy in respect of the local trade, thats the job of the LA?


Ah but this particular working group is a consultative body who supplies feedback on all aspects of proposed Taxi policy and the effects any changes are likley to have on the Taxi and Private hire trades. Are you suggesting their views are disregarded when councillors wish to make changes? Isn't your buddy on record as saying the Taxi trade has a good working relationship with the Sefton council?

I suspect Mr Jones and Mr Delta might belong to one of the following Sefton Taxi and Private hire trade groups. Considering how Mr Jones like to pass himself off as belonging to the North West Taxi Association I suspect it may well be that. But didn't the North west Taxi association cease to exist when it became part of the NTTG?

• High Park Private Hire Drivers Association;
• North Sefton Hackney Carriage Association;
• North Sefton Licensed Private Hire Taxi Operators Association;
• North West Taxi Association;
• Sefton Licensed Operators and Proprietors Association;
• Southport Owner Driver Association;
• Southport Station Taxi Association;
• South Sefton Hackney Carriage Association;
• South Sefton Radio Association; and
• Transport & General Workers Union

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I believe you are incorrect, for all you know Mr Jones may represent 'Carlisle TOA


Perhaps Mr Jones does represent Carlisle TOA but which one of you plays the puppet?

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For F*** Sake Captain!
Why talk in riddles? If you know something's missed or not quite correct why not put the matter straight instead of trying to trip people up?
It's getting to the stage where anything you post i dont bother reading anymore, and it's a pity because now and again you do post some interesting stuff!


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For F*** Sake Captain!
Why talk in riddles? If you know something's missed or not quite correct why not put the matter straight instead of trying to trip people up?
It's getting to the stage where anything you post i dont bother reading anymore, and it's a pity because now and again you do post some interesting stuff!


Sorry smiffyz (you needed to put an extra * in there :wink:

I thought I made it clear, it is my understanding Mr. Jones does represent a body witin Sefton, where JD disagrees. The minutes I have are from a previous meeting and they are in hard copy as opposed to web format, I am therefore unable to reproduce them.

Coincidentally, I spoke with Mr. Jones today, and I hope he'll come on and clarify the situation.

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