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When T. speaks about "investment" what he means is people paying thousands for a plate from an existing license holder because they can't get on directly from the council.

Thus T. gets one gratis, but objects to others doing likewise, then when he needs the plate no longer he'll sell it for thousands to those others and call that investment :lol:


Reply: Do you think then that all those years ago when the first ever licenses were issue they just picked people at random and gave them a plate? No they licensed the people who had established a trade they regulated to bring stability and consitencey to a trade that was growing out of control. Market forces failed so regulations were introduced. The better responsible operators needed protection from the fly-by nights and unscruptulous rogues. This gave the public confidence, they used licensed taxis because they new they would not be ripped off or carried in dangerous carriages. They licensed the operators that built up a reputation for reliability and safety, the ones who had made investments in the first place. The trade is there because someone years ago offered a service the public were prepared to pay for. The Councils only regulate or license the trade they do not generate any trade or business. The business is there because someone offers a service, a license only gives the person offering that service validity and credability.


Yes, that's the fit and proper/quality control bit, but what about restricted numbers? :lol:

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no way is jd a taxi driver, nor is tdo, susses might be though, and skull is an ex taxi baron who is now a jockey for someone!


Yes, I just get up at 4am to post on here just to annoy you :lol:

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TDO wrote:
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When T. speaks about "investment" what he means is people paying thousands for a plate from an existing license holder because they can't get on directly from the council.

Thus T. gets one gratis, but objects to others doing likewise, then when he needs the plate no longer he'll sell it for thousands to those others and call that investment :lol:


Reply: Do you think then that all those years ago when the first ever licenses were issue they just picked people at random and gave them a plate? No they licensed the people who had established a trade they regulated to bring stability and consitencey to a trade that was growing out of control. Market forces failed so regulations were introduced. The better responsible operators needed protection from the fly-by nights and unscruptulous rogues. This gave the public confidence, they used licensed taxis because they new they would not be ripped off or carried in dangerous carriages. They licensed the operators that built up a reputation for reliability and safety, the ones who had made investments in the first place. The trade is there because someone years ago offered a service the public were prepared to pay for. The Councils only regulate or license the trade they do not generate any trade or business. The business is there because someone offers a service, a license only gives the person offering that service validity and credability.


Yes, that's the fit and proper/quality control bit, but what about restricted numbers? :lol:


Like a garden you need strong flowers to resist the pests, to many and the soil can't nourish them and they wither and the weeds take over. Better fewer and stronger than an uncontrolled mess venerable to blight and weed. Regulate all or nothing you cannot pick just the bits that suit you.


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Works in London, innit? :D

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Regulate all or nothing you cannot pick just the bits that suit you.

Oh dear. [-(

But we do what you say we can't with drivers, regulate but not with numbers. :wink:

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Regulate all or nothing you cannot pick just the bits that suit you.

Oh dear. [-(

But we do what you say we can't with drivers, regulate but not with numbers. :wink:


Reply from T.: I have no ideal what the above line means, is it back to flowerpot men speak. ??????????


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Reply from T.: I have no ideal what the above line means, is it back to flowerpot men speak. ??????????

You are saying we can either regulate or not, i.e. numbers restriction or no regulation, even though it happens in 72% of areas.

But we don't restrict the numbers of drivers yet we regulate them.

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Reply from T.: I have no ideal what the above line means, is it back to flowerpot men speak. ??????????

You are saying we can either regulate or not, i.e. numbers restriction or no regulation, even though it happens in 72% of areas.

But we don't restrict the numbers of drivers yet we regulate them.


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It may happen in 72% now but there are a lot of areas reconsidering, how many of the 72% have benefitted by changing. The negative evidence is mounting, dereg has failed to deliver on every count, fares have not reduced, services have not improved and in many areas got worse. The bus and rail dereg failed and has been acknowleged by the decision takers as a failure. The whole dereg ethos has been discredited. The regulation of the London minicabs is the biggest indication of the failure of the market to find its own level.


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Merseytravel *powerless' to stop changes


MERSEYTRAVEL offi­cials say they are power­less to stop the changes and are mounting their own campaign to have greater say on bus routes.
Chairman of Mer-seytravel, Cllr Mark Dowd, said: "This is anoth­er example of what hap­pens under deregulation.
"Currently we are powerless to stop a com­mercial operator from either starting or termin­ating a service whenever they like, providing they give the statutory 56 days notice.
"Merseytravel is at the forefront"Sf a campaign to restore some form of regu­lation which would give us greater powers over bus routes and frequencies.
"I went to see the Secret­ary of State for Transport on March 19 about the problem of deregulation and he agreed that the cur­rent situation is far from satisfactory.
"Along with other pas­senger transport authorit­ies we are working with the Government to im­prove the situation."

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Have the two Ts worked out the difference between deregulation and derestriction yet :shock:

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Have the two Ts worked out the difference between deregulation and derestriction yet :shock:


I have always known the difference, But I must admit I am pleasantly surprised that you do :wink:

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It may happen in 72% now but there are a lot of areas reconsidering, how many of the 72% have benefitted by changing. The negative evidence is mounting, dereg has failed to deliver on every count, fares have not reduced, services have not improved and in many areas got worse. The bus and rail dereg failed and has been acknowleged by the decision takers as a failure. The whole dereg ethos has been discredited. The regulation of the London minicabs is the biggest indication of the failure of the market to find its own level.

What about the drivers issue?

Why can they be regulated and not restricted, yet in your mind it doesn't work?

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Sussex wrote:
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It may happen in 72% now but there are a lot of areas reconsidering, how many of the 72% have benefitted by changing. The negative evidence is mounting, dereg has failed to deliver on every count, fares have not reduced, services have not improved and in many areas got worse. The bus and rail dereg failed and has been acknowleged by the decision takers as a failure. The whole dereg ethos has been discredited. The regulation of the London minicabs is the biggest indication of the failure of the market to find its own level.

What about the drivers issue?

Why can they be regulated and not restricted, yet in your mind it doesn't work?



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Quote" What about the drivers issue?"
Thats what I have been saying, this all boils down to that one thing, the drivers who want something for nothing, you want a plate for nothing nomatter what. Even if it damages the trade and has no redeeming qualities, you see Dereg as your only ticket to owning a plate. Like a child that wants a toy another is playing with, he will try and snatch it and would smash it rather than hand it back.


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187ums wrote:
the thing is de-reg is wrong, the buses have provided a case in point, examples include manchester, oxford.

as for dereg itself, what about all the places that have "re regged"


There's a million threads on deregulation on this site. I just wonder why the pro deregulationists would want to start another one, when they are so confident the tide has turned in respect of removing quantity controls and that in the past the've always accused TDO of what they are doing now?

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Thats what I have been saying, this all boils down to that one thing, the drivers who want something for nothing, you want a plate for nothing nomatter what.

What you mean me and my like minded buddies want a free plate?

The same sort of free plate that you got. :lol:

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