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A Phyrrric victory, if ever there was one. Just hastened the advent of 100% WAV in Carlisle. The guy who just "won" had better save up for his FX4.


Considering Carlisle has already implemented a policy of wav only I think your a little behind the times with that idea.

Nevertheless those who enjoy saloon grandfather rights will be more than happy having the illegal condition finally dispenced with. The guy you mentioned no doubt has a saloon and I'm sure he will be more than happy keeping his saloon until such time he needs to replace it.

No doubt you prefer to see the illegal condition remain.

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Why would I care one way or the other?

I just see a hollow victory.

I think that so called "Grandfather rights" should be outlawed.


I doubt those who now have the benefit of using the busiest taxi rank in town would see it as a hollow victory, how would you like to be illegally excluded from picking up flaggers within 50 metres of a taxi rank?

Considering you represent your local TOA I thought you might have been a little more considerate to those who have been illegally excluded for the last 13 years.

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I no longer represent my local TOA, but you were not likely to know that.

I have no interest in the Carlisle saga, I merely observe. It seems to me that the hero of the day who overturned this illegal bylaw, is unlikely to be carried shoulder high through the City. Why did it take THIRTEEN YEARS to contest this iniquitous by law? Could it be that the saloon car taxi owner drivers saw the situation as a price worth paying?

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I no longer represent my local TOA, but you were not likely to know that.

I have no interest in the Carlisle saga, I merely observe. It seems to me that the hero of the day who overturned this illegal bylaw, is unlikely to be carried shoulder high through the City. Why did it take THIRTEEN YEARS to contest this iniquitous by law? Could it be that the saloon car taxi owner drivers saw the situation as a price worth paying?


It wasn't a bylaw. It was an illegal condition.

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I dont see why Wayne Casey should be villified, nor the NTA.

The facts are that I and the NTA have been consistent throughout, and the consistency has been deemed correct by the judge.

But the conditions JD alludes to may be changed, saloon licensing maybe extended to the year end, this will probably see a major reduction in WAV's, but still f*ck the disabled, they can walk.....oh sorry no they cant.

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hearing the LA's opinion of JD being a crank was worth it, classic, truly classic :lol:

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Are you sure it was a cr and not a w.

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I no longer represent my local TOA, but you were not likely to know that.

I have no interest in the Carlisle saga, I merely observe. It seems to me that the hero of the day who overturned this illegal bylaw, is unlikely to be carried shoulder high through the City. Why did it take THIRTEEN YEARS to contest this iniquitous by law? Could it be that the saloon car taxi owner drivers saw the situation as a price worth paying?


It wasn't a bylaw. It was an illegal condition.

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Why did it take THIRTEEN YEARS to contest this "Illegal condition"?

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Why did it take THIRTEEN YEARS to contest this "Illegal condition"?


Obviously those hackney carriage drivers and saloon car owners had no proper guidance. They were up against councillors, the licensing department, the local TOA, the TGWU, the GMBU and every other outfit that turned a blind eye to the illegal activity in Carlisle. I think the only place this could have happened and perpetuated for so long was in Carlisle.

No other authority in the whole of the United Kingdom was stupid enough come up with such a blatant discriminatory condition such as the one in Carlisle. Perhpas we should welcome Carlisle council, their licensing department, their legal department and the local TOA, into the real world of taxi licensing and equality of trade.

I suppose Carlisle is a valuable lesson learned for quite a few people. The only people to come out of this pitiful saga with any credit is the judiciary, the guy who appealed against the illegal condition and his supporters. The rest of them are all discredited, they include Councillors for discriminating against the majority of the Taxi trade and perpetuating this illegal condition for 13 years, Carlisle legal department for being inept, Carlisle licensing department for acquiescing to the illegal condition when it was first introduced and for the last 13 years, and last but not least every organisation and trade magazine who for the last 13 years could have exposed or at least voiced concerns over the illegal condition but didn't?

We all know that Councillors think they are a law unto themselves and basically they are, unless of course you have deep pockets to take them on. At least in this instance thanks to a carlisle man with balls they finally got a swift dose of reality that will hopefully remind them that they are not above the law.

Lets not forget it was only a few weeks ago that these councillors voted to continue this illegal condition even after it was spelt out to them that the condition was illegal, how's that for blatant arrogance?

All these so called organisation's that say they represent the taxi trade were pretty silent when it came to supporting the excluded majority of the Carlisle Taxi Trade who were prevented from plying for hire on the Cities busiest taxi rank, or from even picking up within a 50 metre radius. Contrast that with the furore over the exclusion of Watford cab drivers from watford station rank and the support they got from the TGWU, Taxi Talk magazine and practically every other Taxi entity in the United Kingdom? However, as long as the illegal condition in Carlisle suited those that implemented it and those that gained from its exclusivity, there was never any urgency to expose its illegality.

I don't think you will see Mr Wayne Casey standing up at this years NTA AGM telling everyone he finally got rid of the illegal condition imposed by Carlisle councillors some 13 years ago and supported by his local TOA do you? He might get up and say some interfering so and so from Manchester has deprived us of a cosy little illegal arrangement we had with the local council that gave some of us exclusivity to the busiest rank in Town for the last 13 years?

I'm afraid these people who talk about representing the Taxi trade but only represent the interest of themselves and their limited membership besides making me puke are in many cases to be treated with nothing more than contempt.

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Well, don't beat about the bush JD, tell us what you're thinking.

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I wonder how many letters of thanks the "interfering so and so from Manchester" has recieved from Carlisle taxi drivers?

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I would say none ....................... because like any other super-hero JD (the saviour of the taxi trade) stikes and then just as quickly disappears .............. with everyone asking "who was that masked man".

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I would say none too. I do not know, but would suspect, that every saloon car taxi driver in Carlisle KNEW that the arrangement was "iffy" but put up with it because they didn't want to have to buy a WAV. So allowing the Wav owners the exclusive use of a prime rank was a price worth paying to retain the status quo?

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It is my understanding that the gentleman that has taken the council to court, intends to retire next year, and just do a few hours a week .... it is also my understanding of Mr Casey made it quite clear when the condition was implement all those years ago that he believed it to be not legal, and the NTA at the time expressed the same view, but the trade at that time for whatever reasons that obviously suited them decided to leave the condition in place .

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I would say none too. I do not know, but would suspect, that every saloon car taxi driver in Carlisle KNEW that the arrangement was "iffy" but put up with it because they didn't want to have to buy a WAV. So allowing the Wav owners the exclusive use of a prime rank was a price worth paying to retain the status quo?


Obviously you have an inside track into the minds of the majority of the Carlisle taxi trade. You must be unique?

From reading the past skirmishes of the saloon car brigade and their attempts to gain access to this particular taxi rank it stands to reason that your nonsensical ramblings are far removed from the reality of what these saloon car drivers have been trying to achieve for some considerable time.

Irrespective of the illegality of the licensing condition attached to vehicles, something which you conveniently fail to take into account, I suspect every saloon car driver will be more than chuffed to be able to stop when they are flagged near to this taxi rank. If you believe otherwise then I pity you.

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Well, don't beat about the bush JD, tell us what you're thinking.


Do you actually bother reading that sh*te?.....I know I dont...it tends to upset him :lol:

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I would say none too. I do not know, but would suspect, that every saloon car taxi driver in Carlisle KNEW that the arrangement was "iffy" but put up with it because they didn't want to have to buy a WAV. So allowing the Wav owners the exclusive use of a prime rank was a price worth paying to retain the status quo?


I think your about right, hay ho at least we're still first phase :lol:

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