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The reason I mentioned rapists and murders is that these are clear cut cases, whereas a speeding offence is not.

So you are saying that there are not different degrees of murder & rape, but that there are different degrees of speeding!

Thus you can either stand by your general principle in which case rapists and murderers should be able to drive a taxi, or you can qualify this by saying that it only applies to more serious offences.

I cannot quite follow your argument about murderers and rapists driving taxis, we are on about a taxi driver being punished twice the other two extreme examples get punished "once" albeit seriously, and so they should.

So, assuming that you don't want rapists and murderers driving taxis, where does the dividing line lie?[/quote]

I am not being rude but I cannot follow your analogy, as it is a straight forward speeding offence we are talking about, which as such is not a criminal offence in the same context that you are putting forward.


JD Well put, I just cannot go along with these power mad L.As who do things, just to be seen to be doing things when they have already been done. I hope that makes sense

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Cabby john, you seem to be continuing to ignore the point that I made about me not actually commenting on the merits of the case that started the thread.

As regards rape and murder, OK perhaps I should have said that they are 'more' clear cut compared to speeding, but I'm sure you'll agree that when considering someone for a badge rape and murder are at the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of difficulty as compared to speeding.

And I can't see why you're having difficulty with my point about people suffering consequences for the same offence by two different jurisdictions, namely the criminal courts and the licensing process.

Thus presumably you don't have a problem if a murder comes out of jail and further consequences because he can't get a driver's badge?

Thus my question is, where do you draw the line between wrongdoing that a driver shouldn't suffer twice for and wrongdoing that it's legitimate for this to happen?

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Yes, that's an excellent point, and I was perhaps be slightly misleading in using the term punishment when clearly the job of councillors is not to punish but to decide whether they are fit and proper.

However, I and the others were perhaps using the term rather loosely, as in the 'getting done twice' terminology used in the thread's title, ie from the driver's perspective suffering consequences twice for the same wrongdoing.

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I agree with what you say, but if you agree with JD then to the extent that he's effectively saying that a driver can suffer consequences twice for the same wrongdoing then you're agreeing with me

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TDO not ignoring any point, perhaps just not picking up on it.

I was purely arguing the speeding point, I can now see where you are coming from, however we have digressed away from the original topic "speeding". Of course the L.As have got to step in on a situation such as you mention, but I would have thought that a CRB check would eliminate anyone attempting to become a cabby. Regarding any existing driver then he would automatically become an unfit person to hold a license, on the examples that you mention.

As I said earlier speeding in itself is not regarded as criminal - hence why they dish out fixed penalties - the other stuff - now that is heavy.

I do not see the need for the L.As to get involved in 1) something that has been dealt with, and 2) something that is technically not criminal.

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I agree, and I don't think any way is perfect.

It's just that I think doing someone twice, on a non-violent issue such as this, is less perfect.

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Yes, and my point was never about the particular case but about the claim that drivers shouldn't suffer twice for the same act, and I think that you now seem to be agreeing - eg you're effectively saying that the CRB checks will penalise drivers twice for the same act of wrongdoing.

BTW, I'm not to sure about your claim that speeding isn't criminal because it's normally dealt with by way of fixed penatly.

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I am not saying CRB checks will penalise a driver twice, it is a situation in those situations whereby they do not meet the critieria set out. In this instance speeding does not necessarily stop you from doing your job, which is the point that I have been arguing from.

The speeding issue "is'nt criminal" whilst they may be dealt with by the courts, I believe that I am correct in saying "they are not recordable" therefore you do not get a criminal record as such.

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In Newcastle they have led us to believe that speeding offences are recordable.

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Perhaps I am wrong in my interpretation, obviously they are on your licence and are recorded in that sense. But! I believe that it does not give you a criminal record and as such is not recordable as a criminal matter.

Think about it, if it was the case then most of British motorists would have criminal records, millions of them!

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I have thirty points and I am still driving,how can this be TDO,it might mean I am not fit and proper I dont know,so give me your take on this riddle TDO.

Many councils have it as a condition of license that taxi/PH drivers tell them if they get any points. And if they don't then that in itself can lead to council action against them.

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Maybe you are a Leeds supporter.

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Well I dont know if I want to tell the council about my 30 points,some things are private and we should have the right to do what we want with our points.

Sussex for you info i hold a HGV Class one truck licence issued by VOSA and a taxi badge which like a taxi drivers licence is a vocational one. if i get convicted for a motoring offence and get done by the courts i could be susspended by VOSA for the same offence which could result in a temporary ban for any thing from a week to what ever they think fit so no it doesnt just affect taxi/phv drivers getting done twice and that also includes bus drivers too.

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