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When i first started there was 1800 brief holders now there,s about 3600!
Talk about an over supply of drivers with just 1260 taxis!!!!BTW that was nine years ago!!!!!


That works out to 3 drivers per cab. Do they ever stop moving or are a lot of drivers without a motor?

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When i first started there was 1800 brief holders now there,s about 3600!
Talk about an over supply of drivers with just 1260 taxis!!!!BTW that was nine years ago!!!!!


Bang on Mikey, and it's only going to get worse and quickly at that :wink:

Driver's were like hobby horses shi* nine years ago, that much I can tell yo. A six night rental including a fri/sat was around £180.
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gusmac wrote:
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When i first started there was 1800 brief holders now there,s about 3600!
Talk about an over supply of drivers with just 1260 taxis!!!!BTW that was nine years ago!!!!!


That works out to 3 drivers per cab. Do they ever stop moving or are a lot of drivers without a motor?


If you bump your driver and then replace him for whatever reason, it’s easier to charge the new blood coming into the trade more. The owner of the vehicle then works less. You might even have 3 part-timers working the same vehicle with the owner cherry-picking his shifts.

This is the real reason the owners don’t want drivers getting their own vehicles. They want to increase the employment pool to give them greater power over what they charge, forcing up rentals and plate premiums.
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Been reading this thread with interest for a while now.
Can anyone tell me how many Hack plates are currently in use in Edinburgh?


1260 :wink:


That doesn't seem all that many for a city of Edinburgh's size.
Aberdeen had 929 back in February. Edinburgh is at least twice the size. :?


My thoughts exactly :wink: They do have around 800 ph as well although they don't do taxi work, now do they boys (Edinburgh Plat Owners).


2007 February (Taxi inspector's report 31/1/07)
Taxis:
595 Saloon, 334 WAV, Total 929
PH: 169
Drivers:
1264 Taxi, 2 PH, Total 1266

Aberdeen lifted the restriction on numbers about 2 years ago.
We have had an increase of about 100 hack plates in that time with a small drop in PH.
Scare stories about lack of work and huge increases in competition have not come to pass.

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gusmac wrote:
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Been reading this thread with interest for a while now.
Can anyone tell me how many Hack plates are currently in use in Edinburgh?


1260 :wink:


That doesn't seem all that many for a city of Edinburgh's size.
Aberdeen had 929 back in February. Edinburgh is at least twice the size. :?


My thoughts exactly :wink: They do have around 800 ph as well although they don't do taxi work, now do they boys (Edinburgh Plat Owners).


2007 February (Taxi inspector's report 31/1/07)
Taxis:
595 Saloon, 334 WAV, Total 929
PH: 169
Drivers:
1264 Taxi, 2 PH, Total 1266

Aberdeen lifted the restriction on numbers about 2 years ago.
We have had an increase of about 100 hack plates in that time with a small drop in PH.
Scare stories about lack of work and huge increases in competition have not come to pass.


Now why am I not surprised =D>

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In Edinburgh it’s all about the owners losing their meal ticket and then being forced to work the cab themselves.

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Had an interesting chat with a legal type at the weekend.

Seems that the fact that the council has issued twice off the IPL, although we know it has no formal legal status, could be construed as an implied agreement and that those who are waiting on the list may have some legal recourse if it is crashed without them getting their licence.

He did say that some research would need to be done.


If that be the case I would be very wary of how this came about. The only thing I can immediately think of is perhaps one or two of the existing licenses became available through revocation or perhaps a death and re-issued? A simple letter to licensing should confirm this.

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Perhaps I should explain this. When I stated that the council had issued twice from the IPL what I meant was that it has issued two tranches of licences from the list. The first was around 100, the second was around 49. The original list was around 250, it's now believed to be 99.

The council has declared its intent, through the bumbling Wiggie, to come up with a survey to disburse the number remaining on the list. This is expected to be within one year of my licence refusal. I suspect it will be conducted during a sufficiently busy period to justify the result.

However, the council are mistaken if they think this will solve their problem. As soon as a licence is issued from the list, notification of that even, it is open house for anyone to apply. They could not be discriminated against in favour of those on the list under the terms of the Act. Indeed I may well apply myself once again.

What does the council then do. It will have to issue licences sequentially according to date of application. Their unmet demand number could be welll satisfied long before the list is disbursed. Where do they draw the line? In court?

The simple fact is that the council can not issue from the list in isolation. End of.



Geee Whizzzz Jim, it looks lie there maybe only one way out for the C.E.C? This could be to de-restrict the trade for a short period of time, then use the forthcoming SUD to put the cap back on? :twisted:

Just think Jim, if they got the SUD and then intended to issue 99 off the list sequentially, and them someone slapped them with an Interim Interdict, where would they be? :shock: They could be in court for months while other applications come pouring in through the door and all when a “significant unmet demand” has been recognised? :shock: Oh and lets not forget what their position will be if they lose the next court case? :shock:

It might not be a good idea for the C.E.C to come-up with a SUD at all? :shock: Oh but then again, this would mean they had no up-to-date demand information to deny licence applications…. :shock:

It looks like the C.E.C is in deep doo, doo over this… :lol:

BTW Edinburgh plate holders, I wouldn't take all of this too seriously, it's only a game after-all :wink: :twisted:



Forgot to mention - Councillors in the witness box :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:41 pm 
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Skull wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Been reading this thread with interest for a while now.
Can anyone tell me how many Hack plates are currently in use in Edinburgh?


1260 :wink:


That doesn't seem all that many for a city of Edinburgh's size.
Aberdeen had 929 back in February. Edinburgh is at least twice the size. :?


Plus 800 private hire.

That's where our work is going.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:07 pm 
Skull wrote:
jasbar wrote:
JD wrote:
jasbar wrote:
Had an interesting chat with a legal type at the weekend.

Seems that the fact that the council has issued twice off the IPL, although we know it has no formal legal status, could be construed as an implied agreement and that those who are waiting on the list may have some legal recourse if it is crashed without them getting their licence.

He did say that some research would need to be done.


If that be the case I would be very wary of how this came about. The only thing I can immediately think of is perhaps one or two of the existing licenses became available through revocation or perhaps a death and re-issued? A simple letter to licensing should confirm this.

Regards

JD


Perhaps I should explain this. When I stated that the council had issued twice from the IPL what I meant was that it has issued two tranches of licences from the list. The first was around 100, the second was around 49. The original list was around 250, it's now believed to be 99.

The council has declared its intent, through the bumbling Wiggie, to come up with a survey to disburse the number remaining on the list. This is expected to be within one year of my licence refusal. I suspect it will be conducted during a sufficiently busy period to justify the result.

However, the council are mistaken if they think this will solve their problem. As soon as a licence is issued from the list, notification of that even, it is open house for anyone to apply. They could not be discriminated against in favour of those on the list under the terms of the Act. Indeed I may well apply myself once again.

What does the council then do. It will have to issue licences sequentially according to date of application. Their unmet demand number could be welll satisfied long before the list is disbursed. Where do they draw the line? In court?

The simple fact is that the council can not issue from the list in isolation. End of.



Geee Whizzzz Jim, it looks lie there maybe only one way out for the C.E.C? This could be to de-restrict the trade for a short period of time, then use the forthcoming SUD to put the cap back on? :twisted:

Just think Jim, if they got the SUD and then intended to issue 99 off the list sequentially, and them someone slapped them with an Interim Interdict, where would they be? :shock: They could be in court for months while other applications come pouring in through the door and all when a “significant unmet demand” has been recognised? :shock: Oh and lets not forget what their position will be if they lose the next court case? :shock:

It might not be a good idea for the C.E.C to come-up with a SUD at all? :shock: Oh but then again, this would mean they had no up-to-date demand information to deny licence applications…. :shock:

It looks like the C.E.C is in deep doo, doo over this… :lol:


BTW Edinburgh plate holders, I wouldn't take all of this too seriously, it's only a game after-all :wink: :twisted:


Not as deep doo doo as letting Councillors take the stand to defend the policy?

Wiggie Wiggie what is your name,
Wiggie Wiggie what is your game,
Jacobs is flawed, the interim survey too.
You said it, remember it noo?

Deny deny, that's what Inch told you to decide
Though the info used was a pile of sh*te.
He told you from justice councillors could hide
No witness box for a church leading light.

Sad to say, Inch got it wrong
Not for the first time I may shout.
You'll get your chance to sing your song
Under oath, the truth will out.

Only you in the box, standing alone
I can't wait to see the look on your face.
For your misdeeds you will atone
Recognised as a political disgrace.

Councillors have a public duty
To act reasonably, within the Law.
Your manner was truly just haughty
Arrogantly applying it as you saw.

The policy to restrict you stoically defended
Kinda makes me wonder why?
You prejudiced my case until refusal ended
Any respect for a churchman who would lie.


Here endeth today's lesson ....

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Skull wrote:
mikey wrote:
When i first started there was 1800 brief holders now there,s about 3600!
Talk about an over supply of drivers with just 1260 taxis!!!!BTW that was nine years ago!!!!!


Bang on Mikey, and it's only going to get worse and quickly at that :wink:

Driver's were like hobby horses shi* nine years ago, that much I can tell yo. A six night rental including a fri/sat was around £180.
:shock:


nine years ago! wed,thurs,fri,sat,sun.£190 in city cabs!!!!!
Mind you that,s when we were a rare commodity!!!!!!!


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mikey wrote:
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When i first started there was 1800 brief holders now there,s about 3600!
Talk about an over supply of drivers with just 1260 taxis!!!!BTW that was nine years ago!!!!!


Bang on Mikey, and it's only going to get worse and quickly at that :wink:

Driver's were like hobby horses shi* nine years ago, that much I can tell yo. A six night rental including a fri/sat was around £180.
:shock:


nine years ago! wed,thurs,fri,sat,sun.£190 in city cabs!!!!!
Mind you that,s when we were a rare commodity!!!!!!!



I reckon within the 12-18 months some drivers that are full-time will end up part-time working two jobs, their full-time employment will be elsewhere?

What’s the word at your end Mickey, how do City Cab drivers feel about it?
The info we get mostly comes from CRT and ComCab. :wink:

I was told there is growing concern over this situation and the drivers are getting very nervous about what their future holds?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:26 pm 
9 years ago there was more than 1800 drivers. There was 2500 drivers when I started 15 years ago.

Anyway the point is still the same. The current figures are accurate. 1260 taxis and 3500 drivers.

As is Skull's point. Drivers need access tot heir own vehicle to ensure that they can work when the market is there. So we drive our shiny new taxi vans picking up the public at weekends.

We can deliver parcels the rest of the time. Or take punters on tours. Or do private runs to airports. Or do school runs. Deliver flowers. Or groceries. Or contract hire to companies for inter site transfers. The potential is enormous.

Delimitation brings new innovative possibilities. Restriction brings only restriction.

Anybody out there prepared to compete?


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Skull wrote:
mikey wrote:
Skull wrote:
mikey wrote:
When i first started there was 1800 brief holders now there,s about 3600!
Talk about an over supply of drivers with just 1260 taxis!!!!BTW that was nine years ago!!!!!


Bang on Mikey, and it's only going to get worse and quickly at that :wink:

Driver's were like hobby horses shi* nine years ago, that much I can tell yo. A six night rental including a fri/sat was around £180.
:shock:


nine years ago! wed,thurs,fri,sat,sun.£190 in city cabs!!!!!
Mind you that,s when we were a rare commodity!!!!!!!



I reckon within the 12-18 months some drivers that are full-time will end up part-time working two jobs, their full-time employment will be elsewhere?

What’s the word at your end Mickey, how do City Cab drivers feel about it?
The info we get mostly comes from CRT and ComCab. :wink:

I was told there is growing concern over this situation and the drivers are getting very nervous about what their future holds?






Some are concerned! the ones who have just bought in over the last year or so.But to be honest most are just saying it,ll never happen.A lot of city cab members are saying if they de-limit we,ll sue them i for one wouldn,t be sucked in by that one lucky i don,t own a taxi then!!!!!!


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mikey wrote:
Skull wrote:
mikey wrote:
Skull wrote:
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When i first started there was 1800 brief holders now there,s about 3600!
Talk about an over supply of drivers with just 1260 taxis!!!!BTW that was nine years ago!!!!!


Bang on Mikey, and it's only going to get worse and quickly at that :wink:

Driver's were like hobby horses shi* nine years ago, that much I can tell yo. A six night rental including a fri/sat was around £180.
:shock:


nine years ago! wed,thurs,fri,sat,sun.£190 in city cabs!!!!!
Mind you that,s when we were a rare commodity!!!!!!!



I reckon within the 12-18 months some drivers that are full-time will end up part-time working two jobs, their full-time employment will be elsewhere?

What’s the word at your end Mickey, how do City Cab drivers feel about it?
The info we get mostly comes from CRT and ComCab. :wink:

I was told there is growing concern over this situation and the drivers are getting very nervous about what their future holds?



Some are concerned! the ones who have just bought in over the last year or so.But to be honest most are just saying it,ll never happen.A lot of city cab members are saying if they de-limit we,ll sue them i for one wouldn,t be sucked in by that one lucky i don,t own a taxi then!!!!!!




Funny they said 'it'll never happen' the last time but it did and the council were in nothing like the position they find themselves in now :lol:

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One of my favourites is (if they do de-limit the council will only put 1 plate one a month!!!BTW what happened to your crt chairman thread?


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