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I think it is the same company.

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Grandad,

No disc of any sort is needed in the windscreen as self drive is not hire and reward the same as you see no disc in the windscreen of any self drive minibus from Avis, Hertz, etc if you do not what to drive the limo yourself then you can hire a chauffeur or get one of your mates to drive it as long as he is over 25 years old and if you are paying him to drive then he will need to have a full pcv driving licence because he is driving the vehicle for payment which is total seprate from the hire of the vehicle hence the driver can drive it for a fee because he has the right licence if your mate has code 101 on his licence then he can still drive it but not for payment. The limo company from Bradford was not operating under any system thats why he got nicked and by the way i do know what i am on about as i am on the legisaltion commettiee of the NLCA and was one of the people that attended the workshop meeting in bradford with the DFT,VOSA,ETC it seems what ever us limo boys say on here it is wrong but then again it is a taxi forum not a limo one, i came on here to set the record straight perhaps Mr Sussex,JD, and the rest of your merry men would like to meet my solictor in court for a slander case against my company after spending thousands to make sure we are opertating within the guildlines of self drive hire a few more grand spent shutting you lot up will be worth it

I take it Caroline Northrop didn't supply her own driver in which case it would have made the activity perfectly legal? lol

According to some?

This vehicle owner said he tried to get his vehicle licensed, I wonder if this was before or after he converted it to a minibus? Then again perhaps the vehicle hasn't been converted to a minibus? In either case it would appear he can't get the vehicle licensed no matter what the status, I suspect his only solution is to have the vehicle licensed as private hire but perhaps that is also out of the question?

No wonder these guys won't divulge the insurance, license or contract details of these so called minibuses.

Regards

JD

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Think about this one for a moment please JD, If a group of operators have got together and paid a top transport barrister several thousands of pounds to check and test this system. Do you realy expect that group of operators to actually just publish the way to do it so that anyone can do it without contributing to the cost.
I do not proffess to know exactly how the system works but I do know a bit. I do not operate limousines that carry more than 8 passengers and I have no intention of doing so. Until May of last year I was one of the most voiciferous limo operators against the over 8 brigade and when this system was first explained to me I thought it was boll0cks but through listening to people and having an open mind on the issue I now do not have a problem with the operators that are doing it right like A Class in fact I applaud them for their courage and determination to do what the government said which was to go away and work within the current legislation. Which is what they have done.

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Grandad,

This company is allegedly one of the bad boys in the industry. Not licensed, not working to sched. 6 and not bothered.

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Grandad,

The chances of Hertz or Avis allowing their vehicles to be used for 'hire and reward' are nil.

The chances of Hertz or Avis's insurers allowing their vehicles to be used for 'hire and reward' are nil.

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IDFIMH

The only workshop we are concerned about is a court of the law and I believe it will be the law who eventually decides whether this activity is legal, or illegal? Simple as that.

I believe it becomes illegal when you actively participate in the provision of supplying a driver whether it be direct as a provider or inderect as an agent?

In my opinion the only circumstance where the activity becomes legal is when the "persons" hiring the vehicle do the driving themselves. Any attempt by the supplier to provide a driver which involves any type of payment either by cash or in kind, either directly or indirectly, instantly becomes hire or reward.

I have a feeling you guys haven't heard the last of this eventuality.

Regards

JD

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But the PSV driver is still driving an un-licensed vehicle for 'hire and reward'.

Are you saying vehicles no longer need to be PSV licensed to be used for 'hire and reward'?

That said, roughly how many stretch hummers are being used as limos in this country? To the nearest hundred would be fine.

Out of all of those what percentage of them are licensed. Including the schedule 6 mob.

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IDFIMH

Sussex when my 10 year old daughter gets up in the morning i will get her to explain it to you

If they where 100% happy with their lot, then I can't see why they wouldn't be shouting from the roof-tops.

In the taxi/PH trade we have people fighting over one another to take any glory that's going. Occasionally it's even justified.

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IDFIMH

That would be much appreciated.

Then maybe she can do her best explaining to you case law in relation to 'hire and reward'.

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IDFIMH

If you know anything about hire or reward you should know that a one off exgratia payment to a friend driving a vehicle does not amount to carrying on a busines of hire or reward, therefore he or she does not need a full pcv license.

Regards

JD

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Sussex I give up, you are thick, and JD we don't hire chauffeurs only limousines you or the customer have to hire the driver not us, and what part of self drive hire do you not understand. answer = the bit about not being for hire and reward. Perhaps you should put this forum to good use and help sort out the problem the taxi operators have in Bath with all the Polish drivers being fast tracked through instead of bitching about others

JD you are wrong if you hire a self drive minibus to go to any event and you pay the driver any amount of money or reward even a meal then he has drove that vehicle for payment code 101 on a licence means he can not drive that vehicle for any sort of payment or reward if he has a full D1 or D1E then he can himself drive that vehicle for payment.

I appreciate all that and I know you are a sensible person but our concern is not about Limo operators far from it, our concern is about unlicensed minibuses attempting to skirt the law. Size doesn't matter but the provision of a driver either directly or indirectly, does matter.

Self drive is explanatory and if these over large minibuses stick to the law then I presume they will have nothing to worry about but the whole exercise of limousines is hire or reward and the fact they feel the need to convert to a minibus proves that they can't work within the existing licensing regime for whatever reason.

The law needs changing but I don't place much trust in a barristers opinion that advocates a limo operator being what amounts to an agent for a third party driver. This to me amounts to the systematic carrying on of a business for hire or reward and as such all the appropriate license and insurance conditions should be met.

That is my opinion and it has nothing whatsoever to do with just limousines, my opinion stretches to all minibus and "hire vehicles", whether self drive or otherwise.

Regards

JD

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