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Its a licensing condition and yours says.

No material alteration or change in the specification, design, condition or appearance of the vehicle shall be made without the approval of the Council at any time while the licence is in force.

Every council has a similar worded condition and it means you can't put anything inside or outside the vehicle that isn't part of the original fixture and fittings without prior council approval.

I really did think everyone realised that but it seems they don't.

Regards

JD

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Where does it state in LAW that I cannot install CCTV into a piece of MY property for the purpose of protecting myself.

What the LAW does state is that a notice should be affixed in a prominent position prior to the coverage of any CCTV unit warning or advising people that they are entering an area or premises covered by CCTV which may or may not be recording or being viewed, so as to allow them to leave that area or premises before they are recorded or viewed by a CCTV unit.

I'm interested to find out why you think that a PH operator can protect their premises with CCTV without "permission" but a driver of a HC or PH vehicle cannot.

B. Lucky

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I would say also that the data protection Act covers the use of CCTV only when it is aimed at an individual, or capable of being remotely controled to zoom into a certain target.

Where the camera is fixed into a general capture area, then the notices warning of the use of CCTV would constitue a general code of practice which would cover the use of such systems.

Further information will be posted as it becomes available .............. meanwhile where are the Laws which substanciate your argument JD ?

B. Lucky

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JD I thank you for your reply.
You have just gave me an objective in life.
I will have to get to the bottom of this and attend the council tomorrow and discuss this in more detail. I think this is sh*t.....Who are these people to say WE as taxi drivers do not have the same rights as a normal member of the public.
And if they decide to stop us using CCTV in our cabs they then are going into ground where we are NOT PROTECTED to the level every other member of the public is.
COME ON LADS.....THIS IS PURE CRAP......we are in a far more dangerous position than the general member of the public will ever be !....And they can have the assurance that they can use PUBLIC CCTV as evidence in the event they are attacked or need it as evidence in a court of law.
BUT ...WE....As taxi drivers , have one of the most "close contact jobs going" and are not allowed to install a device that the rest of the British public can with NO PERMISSION in our WORKPLACE, been our cab ( which is our office ).....
What a load of chit.....howay man, I listen to most things and give folk the choice to make there own opinion but on this ( This is rats chit ) total crap.......The councils should not and CAN NOT have the right to tell us WE as TAXI DRIVERS can not have equal rights to the rest of the general public......Where is our unions now ? Maybe this discussion will not count as I am not a member of any association or organisation but let me tell you this has got to be a valid OPEN issue.
That will affect us all but this time it is our own personal safety that is at stake.

Steve...VERY ANNOYED

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Taken from
http://www.cctv-information.co.uk/cgi-b ... acctv.html

Following is additional information supplied by the Data Protection Commissionaires Office (Sept. 2004) following the case in the Court of Appeal - Durant v Financial Services Authority.
This information will help you decide whether your system is subject to the Data Protection Act
1. Why is this additional guidance necessary?
There has been a recent court case that affects whether particular CCTV activities are covered by the DPA. The following notes make clearer which CCTV activities are covered by the DPA. It is particularly aimed at helping users of basic CCTV systems such as small businesses.
2. What CCTV activities are covered by the DPA?
The court case dealt with when information relates to an individual and is then covered by the DPA. The court decided that for information to relate to an individual, it had to affect their privacy. To help judge this, the Court decided that two matters were important:
• that a person had to be the focus of the information
• the information tells you something significant about them
This means that whether you are covered or not will depend on how you use your CCTV system.
3. If I only use a very basic CCTV system, how am I affected?
If you have just a basic CCTV system, your use may no longer be covered by the DPA. This depends on what happens in practice. For example, a small shopkeeper would not be covered who:
• only have a couple cameras,
• can't move them remotely,
• just record on video tape whatever the cameras pick up, and
• only give the recorded images to the police to investigate an incident in their shop.
The retailers would need to make sure that they do not use the images for their own purposes such as checking whether a member of staff is doing their job properly, because if they did, then that person would be the focus of attention and they would be trying to learn things about them so the use of the system would then be covered by the DPA.
4. It sounds like many users of basic CCTV systems are no longer covered by the DPA, is there an easy way to tell?
Think about what you are trying to achieve by using CCTV. Is it there for you to learn about individuals' activities for your own business purposes (such as monitoring a staff member who is giving concern)? If so, then it will still be covered. However if you can answer 'no' to all the following 3 questions you will not be covered:
• Do you ever operate the cameras remotely in order to zoom in/out or point in different directions to pick up what particular people are doing?
• Do you ever use the images to try to observe someone's behaviour for your own business purposes such as monitoring staff members?
• Do you ever give the recorded images to anyone other than a law enforcement body such as the police?



Still waiting for JD

B. Lucky

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A VERY VALID POINT.....

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Bugger .................. I replaced my standard CD/radio with a Sony one ...................... are you saying that I should have informed the council ?

Oh dear, I've just realised I also replaced the steel wheels with alloys ................. I must be a serial condition breaker as I didn't inform the council of that either.

I should lose my licence.

B. Lucky

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Well.. Make joke of this or not..
BUT thats about the bottom line on this..We are bound by so many technicality's and crap rules we can hardly turn our fekkin steering wheel without breeching a bylaw....I feel so strongly about this issue I nearly wrote something else in this sentance that would of got me threw off this site .
After all WE as DRIVERS are providing a Service that the public sees as been unsociable but WE CHOOSE TO DO IT and why ? BECAUSE WE CAN !
We can do this job because we can deal with the drunken people, the Unstable people, The STRANGER off the street!!!! "who is he ? No one knows ! ( EXACTLY, No one knows ) The disturbed , the STRANGER !!!!!
But we can not have CCTV because we are the chit of the working force that deals with chit and IS CHIT.....
Well get fooked times needs to change, at least give us the same rights as the general public........!

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Your a mad twait BUT you do portray my point very clearly.

Steve

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Taxis... I don't believe I am writing this...But.. JD is saying that normally it is part of your conditions.. he certainly isn't saying he agrees with it. welcome to the real world .... most locals Association have for years had to deal with this type of condition.. I applied over six years ago for CCTV to be allowed in vehicles in Sefton and it was granted... I certainly had no intention of wasting my time and money taking it to a higher level, and if you wish to good luck....... and have a rather large supply of headache pills handy.

ps. do you not think that it would be a good issue for suggestion at the meeting of minds that all councils automatically allow the installation of cctv in hackney and private hire vehicles..

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Thanks for the reply Trevor bud...
I have taken on-board all that has been said BUT I cannot accept the fact
in any way shape form or description that a TAXI DRIVER can not have the right to install CCTV in his cab ! When the general member of the public can install CCTV to look out on to the street and view all passers bye with no regulations.

I will however say if anybody says different on this forum that they simply do NOT DRIVE A TAXI .
In all seriousness Trevor...I did not know you have already gone over this issue in the past...sorry !
But it is absolutely insane to not allow this......the words Mental and duuuurrrr keeps coming to mind.
Infact what are you even going against this for ? This can only be an advantage to the Taxi Driver...And thats what we all want.

Steve

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I am not against the installation of CCTV, I had it fitted in my vehicles six years ago, I think every driver should have the right to fit it if they choose,..... but.....JD is right to point out that it is a condition..... and you run the risk of being suspended by over-zealous licensing officers.......

ps... if you do decide to take on the challenge..... simply ask them do they know how many Taxi drivers' have been murdered in this country in the last 10 years and how many have been attacked.......?

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Your post ably displays your knowledge of the Taxi trade.

I needn't say any more.

JD

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Wot about the sat nav as well

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JD I asked a simple question .......... you haven't answered it.

I will ask again.

Where in LAW does it state that a CCTV system cannot be installed in a Taxi or Private Hire vehicle ?

The only point of law which could be applied is the Data Protection Act, but following the case heard by the Court of Appeal (Durant v FSA) in September 2004 it is clear that certain CCTV systems are not subject to the DPA.

My knowledge of the Taxi Trade is enhanced by asking questions ............. whereas it appears you think you know everything.

Answer the question JD ................... and stop avoiding by making persoanl or professional insults.

B. Lucky

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